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Bohner who will go to jail in IRS case

American said:
Well it's prior to the existence of this board. I was unaware of it, but if they got audited because of their political affiliation, then that would be wrong.
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And this is all I'm saying. I not a fan of the Tea Party, but I totally disagree with the government going after groups because there views conflicts with your party views. Some things should not be political. It was wrong then and it is wrong now.
 
rcart76 said:
See this is what gets me annoyed when taking to partisan people.
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I'm not partisan and I don't justify my actions by the actions of others.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I'm listening to congress grill the IRS guy right now, he is already refusing to answer questions. IRS mission statement is " to enforce the law with fairness and integrity". It appears they violated this big time.
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A motto is not a law. It is barely even a tweet.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
APDST answered all these questions last night. The fact that you want to defend what the IRS did here speaks volumes about you. You are possibly farther left than anyone on this forum.
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Oh really can you please quote the statute he told us? because my feed seemed to have missed that piece of information.

next time at least make your lie a little bit better.
 
apdst said:
Right! No law was broken and that's why a congressional hearing is going, as we speak. Because no law was broken. Right!...LOL!!
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I do not see a conviction or a charge. An investigation does not mean a law was broken, nor is it proof of any wrongdoing. Way to jump the gun and declare people guilty before charges are evn made, or even before anyone can quote which supposed law was actually broken.
 
American said:
Ever heard of the Hatch Act?
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Interesting choice, but it actually would not apply to IRS investigations of applications for tax exempt status. That is something that is part of the job description of IRS investigators and not considered political activity. Under your logic every politician in the US would be immune from investigations like the benghazi investigation because it is pretty easy to claim they are politically motivated and therefor members of congress cannot participate. of course that does not apply because part of their responsibility is to investigate wrongdoing which is protected from being considered politically motivated despite the reality that it is politically motivated.

feel free to open that can of worms and try to apply that act and we can hammer every republican representative who has mentioned benghazi. Not to mention any one of them who mentions the IRS or the AP scandal. No, forget it i am all for the republicans running with this one. It can do nothing but destroy both parties and that is something america needs.
 
ChuckBerry said:
Scooter Libby fell on his sword for Bush, and I'm guessing Holder will be the scapegoat here...
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Off topic, but no he didn't. He was improperly convinced for being confused. Plame was known by three different names. Testifies to one name as no, another as yes... etc...

That's my last words in this thread on that topic.
 
head of joaquin said:
Boehner will go to jail for his complicity with the Bush's administration use of the IRS to investigate Greenpeace and the NAACP.
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Really?

Revisionist history?

I did a date search, and found no such claims in any sites before this scandal.
 
tererun said:
A motto is not a law. It is barely even a tweet.
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So when the cops say they are to protect and seve then get caught taking bribes or planting evidence it means nothing huh and when politicians swear to uphold the constitution then rip it to shreds it's no big deal huh.
 
tererun said:
I do not see a conviction or a charge. An investigation does not mean a law was broken, nor is it proof of any wrongdoing. Way to jump the gun and declare people guilty before charges are evn made, or even before anyone can quote which supposed law was actually broken.
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The IRS has already admitted that there was wrongdoing!...lol!
 
tererun said:
Interesting choice, but it actually would not apply to IRS investigations of applications for tax exempt status. That is something that is part of the job description of IRS investigators and not considered political activity. Under your logic every politician in the US would be immune from investigations like the benghazi investigation because it is pretty easy to claim they are politically motivated and therefor members of congress cannot participate. of course that does not apply because part of their responsibility is to investigate wrongdoing which is protected from being considered politically motivated despite the reality that it is politically motivated.

feel free to open that can of worms and try to apply that act and we can hammer every republican representative who has mentioned benghazi. Not to mention any one of them who mentions the IRS or the AP scandal. No, forget it i am all for the republicans running with this one. It can do nothing but destroy both parties and that is something america needs.
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It would apply if an IRS agent targetted a citizen for political reasons.
 
apdst said:
It would apply if an IRS agent targetted a citizen for political reasons.
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You would have to prove that. What the IRS people are going to tell us is that they did it because it is their job to find fraud in NFP organizations.You see in order to actually convict someone you have to provide evidence that shows they did it for political reasons and not because they were using lazy searches on the most likely offenders. Your opinion that they did it would not be adequate proof. What they did is not illegal unless you can prove they did it to harm a specific group and not just because it was part of their job to crack down on 501c4 organizations.

Maybe the republicans can edit some more emails and pretend that is proof?
 
tererun said:
You would have to prove that. What the IRS people are going to tell us is that they did it because it is their job to find fraud in NFP organizations.You see in order to actually convict someone you have to provide evidence that shows they did it for political reasons and not because they were using lazy searches on the most likely offenders. Your opinion that they did it would not be adequate proof. What they did is not illegal unless you can prove they did it to harm a specific group and not just because it was part of their job to crack down on 501c4 organizations.

Maybe the republicans can edit some more emails and pretend that is proof?
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And, in that process, they would have to prove that they had reasonable suspicion. Also, the fact that they obviously treated Right wing groups differently proves bias.

The IRS has already admitted that there was wrongdoing and that is evidence, enough...all by itself.
 
tererun said:
There is a little difference between a mistake and a crime.
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Tell that to the IRS when they come for you.

The IRS is getting a free pass because they are saying, "oops!". But, let a citizen try that with the IRS. Tell the IRS that you goofed and see how much slack you get from them. Are they going to say, "it's all good. We'll work with you."? Hell no! They're coming gunning for you. They're going to empty your bank account. They're not going to care if the rent's due, if you need to buy groceries, if you have a car note to pay, if you have buy clothes for your kids. The IRS should be held to the same standard that they hold the rest of us to.

The IRS can put you out on the street and NO government agency should have that kind of power. The tax code is 44,000 pages long and it's been written to benefit the government, more than the citizenry and I don't care what anybody says, that's the way it is.
 
Michigan Rep. Sander Levin, the committee’s top Democrat, said Miller and former IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman had an “obligation” to inform the committee of the targeting program.

“Neither fulfilled their obligations,” he said.
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Ousted IRS chief Steven Miller defiant as GOP attacks - Lauren French and Kelsey Snell - POLITICO.com

the ranking member of w&m, probably the most important and powerful committee in the caucus, is basically accusing this fired irs commissioner here of a COVERUP

and the time span mr ranking member, pelosi's lead person on this point, is here complaining about is AN ENTIRE YEAR

since five months BEFORE THE ELECTION

that's no spin, lynn, and you know it

you can orate, you can go orwell

but you'll only end up looking like miller

cuz it is what it is, and all you can do is go down with em or jump ship

good luck
 
apdst said:
Forcing NFP's to expose their donors list, that is by law confidential, is illegal.
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Wasn't aware such was happening. I understood that all that the Cincinnati IRS office did was set aside applications for tax-exempt status for some Right-Wing conservative groups. Wasn't aware they were trying to expose the names of the donors which according to federal campaign laws is illegal. So, in that we both agree.
 
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