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    Re: Bohner who will go to jail in IRS case

    edited emails:

    The Benghazi revisions, revisited - POLITICO.com

    linking forces one to know what he or she is talking about

    absent that, you're only another ignorant opinion

    just one more open mouth

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    Re: Bohner who will go to jail in IRS case

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    You would have to prove that. What the IRS people are going to tell us is that they did it because it is their job to find fraud in NFP organizations.You see in order to actually convict someone you have to provide evidence that shows they did it for political reasons and not because they were using lazy searches on the most likely offenders. Your opinion that they did it would not be adequate proof. What they did is not illegal unless you can prove they did it to harm a specific group and not just because it was part of their job to crack down on 501c4 organizations.

    Maybe the republicans can edit some more emails and pretend that is proof?
    And, in that process, they would have to prove that they had reasonable suspicion. Also, the fact that they obviously treated Right wing groups differently proves bias.

    The IRS has already admitted that there was wrongdoing and that is evidence, enough...all by itself.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bohner who will go to jail in IRS case

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    There is a little difference between a mistake and a crime.
    Tell that to the IRS when they come for you.

    The IRS is getting a free pass because they are saying, "oops!". But, let a citizen try that with the IRS. Tell the IRS that you goofed and see how much slack you get from them. Are they going to say, "it's all good. We'll work with you."? Hell no! They're coming gunning for you. They're going to empty your bank account. They're not going to care if the rent's due, if you need to buy groceries, if you have a car note to pay, if you have buy clothes for your kids. The IRS should be held to the same standard that they hold the rest of us to.

    The IRS can put you out on the street and NO government agency should have that kind of power. The tax code is 44,000 pages long and it's been written to benefit the government, more than the citizenry and I don't care what anybody says, that's the way it is.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Michigan Rep. Sander Levin, the committee’s top Democrat, said Miller and former IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman had an “obligation” to inform the committee of the targeting program.

    “Neither fulfilled their obligations,” he said.
    Ousted IRS chief Steven Miller defiant as GOP attacks - Lauren French and Kelsey Snell - POLITICO.com

    the ranking member of w&m, probably the most important and powerful committee in the caucus, is basically accusing this fired irs commissioner here of a COVERUP

    and the time span mr ranking member, pelosi's lead person on this point, is here complaining about is AN ENTIRE YEAR

    since five months BEFORE THE ELECTION

    that's no spin, lynn, and you know it

    you can orate, you can go orwell

    but you'll only end up looking like miller

    cuz it is what it is, and all you can do is go down with em or jump ship

    good luck

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    Re: Bohner who will go to jail in IRS case

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Forcing NFP's to expose their donors list, that is by law confidential, is illegal.
    Wasn't aware such was happening. I understood that all that the Cincinnati IRS office did was set aside applications for tax-exempt status for some Right-Wing conservative groups. Wasn't aware they were trying to expose the names of the donors which according to federal campaign laws is illegal. So, in that we both agree.

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    Re: Bohner who will go to jail in IRS case

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    It is a civil rights violation, It is discrimination. It is just as illegal to discriminate based on political affiliation as it would be for race
    If that's the angle folks wish to use as justification either for legal action or termination against those who committed the act, by all means pursue the perpetrators to the fullest extent of the law. But I think we first need to find out why it was done, don't you?

    I've listened to the talk shows and read the news reports (though not on a daily basis) same as most folks, and it could simply be a matter of the agency being overwhelmed. Of course, I don't buy it anymore than the next guy, but I'm willing to wait until a full investigation is had before jumping to conclusions.

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    Re: Bohner who will go to jail in IRS case

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Obvious Child is also an IRS defender. He thinks they should be expanded even further... so they get every penny. He has no facts that "fraud has almost certainly increased"... typical weasel words stated without any factual backup. He also thinks scraping the code is idiotic... and then tells us we are morons for not understanding the current code.
    Lying isn't a good tactic here. But given your reputation, that probably doesn't matter anymore to you.
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    Re: Bohner who will go to jail in IRS case

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Lying isn't a good tactic here. But given your reputation, that probably doesn't matter anymore to you.

    ROTFLOL... WHAT'S WRONG? DIDN'T LIKE MY USING YOUR QUOTES VERBATIM?


    It's not something you do... you have the penchant for putting words in others mouths and twisting what people say beyond belief. That's your MO. Youz ownz its.

    Here is my post again... now... try to defend what YOU stated instead of trying the slimy course of action.

    Just Do It.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061818904
    APDST answered all these questions last night. The fact that you want to defend what the IRS did here speaks volumes about you. You are possibly farther left than anyone on this forum.
    Obvious Child is also an IRS defender. He thinks they should be expanded even further... so they get every penny. He has no facts that "fraud has almost certainly increased"... typical weasel words stated without any factual backup. He also thinks scraping the code is idiotic... and then tells us we are morons for not understanding the current code.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...post1057988838
    7) Your article is as ignorant as most people here about taxes.
    We can create an abortion the size of Hillary Clinton and foist it on the public using backdoor tricks and without reading the law (ObamaKare), but we can't scrap the tax code and in the process reduce the size of the KGB/IRS... and make the new code so simple the public can understand it without hand holders? Not in OC's werld.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...post1057988838
    3) The IRS actually is too small and underfunded. Roughly around $500 billion annually is not reported to the IRS. Meaning, if we had a sufficiently staffed and funded IRS, we essentially could have avoided deficits for the past decades. Audits of individuals have significently declined over time yet fraud has almost certainly increased. What we are seeing is similar to what happened to the SEC. Lack of funding and lack of staff let all kinds of **** through and we pay for it in the end. The simple answer is to actually fund and staff the collection agency that is the IRS.
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: Bohner who will go to jail in IRS case

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Lying isn't a good tactic here. But given your reputation, that probably doesn't matter anymore to you.
    Lying? What lying? Point it out masterdebater.

    ROTFLOL... WHAT'S WRONG? DIDN'T LIKE MY USING YOUR QUOTES VERBATIM?


    Using accurate quotes is not something you do... your reputation and character is such; you have a penchant for putting words in others mouths and twisting what people say beyond belief. That's your MO. Youz ownz its.

    Here is my post again... now... try to defend what YOU stated instead of trying the slimy course of action. Show us some progress.

    Just Do It.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061818904
    APDST answered all these questions last night. The fact that you want to defend what the IRS did here speaks volumes about you. You are possibly farther left than anyone on this forum.
    Obvious Child is also an IRS defender. He thinks they should be expanded even further... so they get every penny. He has no facts that "fraud has almost certainly increased"... typical weasel words stated without any factual backup. He also thinks scraping the code is idiotic... and then tells us we are morons for not understanding the current code.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...post1057988838
    7) Your article is as ignorant as most people here about taxes.
    We can create an abortion the size of Hillary Clinton and foist it on the public using backdoor tricks and without reading the law (ObamaKare), but we can't scrap the tax code and in the process reduce the size of the KGB/IRS... and make the new code so simple the public can understand it without hand holders? Not in OC's werld.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...post1057988838
    3) The IRS actually is too small and underfunded. Roughly around $500 billion annually is not reported to the IRS. Meaning, if we had a sufficiently staffed and funded IRS, we essentially could have avoided deficits for the past decades. Audits of individuals have significently declined over time yet fraud has almost certainly increased. What we are seeing is similar to what happened to the SEC. Lack of funding and lack of staff let all kinds of **** through and we pay for it in the end. The simple answer is to actually fund and staff the collection agency that is the IRS.
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: Bohner who will go to jail in IRS case

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    Ousted IRS chief Steven Miller defiant as GOP attacks - Lauren French and Kelsey Snell - POLITICO.com

    the ranking member of w&m, probably the most important and powerful committee in the caucus, is basically accusing this fired irs commissioner here of a COVERUP

    and the time span mr ranking member, pelosi's lead person on this point, is here complaining about is AN ENTIRE YEAR

    since five months BEFORE THE ELECTION

    that's no spin, lynn, and you know it

    you can orate, you can go orwell

    but you'll only end up looking like miller

    cuz it is what it is, and all you can do is go down with em or jump ship

    good luck

    Why are the Republicans making such a big deal of the IRS problems now? People like Darrel Issa knew last year, so did other congress critters
    Republicans Informed of IRS Investigation Last Year
    Much has been made of the fact that senior Treasury Department officials were told about the investigation into the treatment of tea party groups in June 2012 — months before last year’s the Presidential election. Republicans who requested the investigation were also told about it at approximately the same time.

    In a letter dated July 11, 2012, the man who conducted the investigation — IRS inspector general J. Russell George — wrote to Rep. Darrell Issa, the chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, telling him that he was investigating the issue and offering to keep him updated as the investigation progressed.

    “The Oversight Committee knew about the audit because it requested it,” an Issa aide told ABC News. Issa released the letter, along with his own letter dated June 28, 2012 requesting the investigation, last week.

    “We would be happy to provide a status update to the Subcommittee staff and provide a copy of our interim and final reports on the matter when they are issued,” George wrote in the letter to Issa. An identical letter was also sent the Rep. Jim Jordan, who, like Issa had raised the issue with the IRS.

    The letter notes that it was Issa who had written him about “questionnaires that the IRS has issued which may exceed appropriate scrutiny and a potential lack of balance in the use of criteria for reviewing organizations that are applying for tax-exempt status.” George offers no confusions but says, “our Office of Audit recently began work on this issue.”
    So, WHY didn't Issa make an issue of this last year during the campaign season?
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