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    Inside the AP: Fear, Determination

    So the GOP killed the First Amendment?

    Honestly that is the big deal here. This was a flagrant shove at freedom of the press.
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    Re: Inside the AP: Fear, Determination

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Would the Baltimore Sun be more to your liking?

    Republican senators block 'media shield' - Baltimore Sun
    I see what you're trying to do here, and what the GOP did appears to be based on honest opinions about underlying issues that could arise with the passage of this bill. I think McCain, who btw supported the bill, explains these concerns. So it wasn't some partisan hackery or hate of the media that led to the filibuster, but a security concern in the Senate version.

    Sen. McCain Endorses Press Shield Law
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    Re: Inside the AP: Fear, Determination

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    "Chilling" keeps popping up in news stories. Here's what the NY Times Editorial Board has to say:

    The Obama administration, which has a chilling zeal for investigating leaks and prosecuting leakers, has failed to offer a credible justification for secretly combing through the phone records of reporters and editors at The Associated Press in what looks like a fishing expedition for sources and an effort to frighten off whistle-blowers.

    ...Both Mr. Holder and Mr. Cole [a deputy AG]declared their commitment — and that of President Obama — to press freedoms. Mr. Cole said the administration does not “take lightly” such secretive trolling through media records.

    We are not convinced.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/15/op...-press.html?hp
    It is "chilling" considering these scandals show just how "Orwellian" this present administration actually is - not to mention our alphabet agencies are.

    It really shows how far this bureaucracy is willing to go to promote a political agenda.

    You can bet all the conspiracy theorists are saying "told you so." Yes there is a conspiracy by progressives in power to dictate outcomes while using non-democratic methods to do so.

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    Re: Inside the AP: Fear, Determination

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Neither of which would have applied in this case.

    The publicans want the govt to intimidate the press.

    They just don't want dems to do it
    That's funny.....this is not what Jonathon Alter is saying. Nor Woodword. Nor Carl Bernstein or Lanny Davis. Which doesn't even include the CEO of the AP.

    Administration Officials Routinely Threaten the Press

    Finally, this week, reporters are pushing back. Even Jonathan Alter — who frequently appears on the Obama-friendly MSNBC — came forward to say he, too, had been treated horribly by the administration for writing something they didn’t like.

    There is a kind of threatening tone that, from time to time — not all the time — comes out of these guys,” Alter said this week. During the 2008 campaign swing through Berlin, Alter said that future White House press secretary Robert Gibbs disinvited him from a dinner between Obama and the press corps over it.

    I was told ‘Don’t come,’ in a fairly abusive e-mail,” he said. “[It] made what Gene Sperling wrote [to Woodward] look like patty-cake.”

    I had a young reporter asking tough, important questions of an Obama Cabinet secretary,” says one DC veteran. “She was doing her job, and they were trying to bully her. In an e-mail, they called her the vilest names — bitch, c--t, a--hole.” He complained and was told the matter would be investigated: “They were hemming and hawing, saying, ‘We’ll look into it.’ Nothing happened.”.....snip~

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    Re: Inside the AP: Fear, Determination

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    So the GOP killed the First Amendment?

    Honestly that is the big deal here. This was a flagrant shove at freedom of the press.
    The death of the First Amendment, indeed, of the entire Bill Of Rights and rest of the US Constitution has been a decidedly bipartisan effort. Russ Feingold was the only Senator to vote against the unpatriot act. All his 'esteemed colleagues' voted for it, its various extensions, the abolition of Habeas Corpus, immunity for telecoms as seen in FISA II, etc etc etc.

    Bipartisan effort.

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    Re: Inside the AP: Fear, Determination

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    The death of the First Amendment, indeed, of the entire Bill Of Rights and rest of the US Constitution has been a decidedly bipartisan effort. Russ Feingold was the only Senator to vote against the unpatriot act. All his 'esteemed colleagues' voted for it, its various extensions, the abolition of Habeas Corpus, immunity for telecoms as seen in FISA II, etc etc etc.

    Bipartisan effort.
    Heya HD. Well now Barone is saying just that with this IRS and AP scandals.....that it casts a Chill on Free Speech.

    Chilling effect. That's the term lawyers and judges use to describe the result of government actions that deter people from exercising their right of free speech.

    The acting director of the IRS was told about this activity in May 2012, and the chief counsel and deputy secretary of the Treasury Department were informed in June 2012.

    Did they pass the information along to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner? Did he tell the president? Did the president ever ask?.....snip~

    IRS and AP Scandals Cast a Big Chill on Free Speech - Michael Barone - Page 1

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    Re: Inside the AP: Fear, Determination

    Well, it is chilling. The IRS demanding to know about the contents of citizens' prayers is scary. I am now "primed for outrage," to quote the often-detestable Slate. I wasn't before, but the "overreach" should make everybody afraid for the state of the Republic.

    See the IRS questions: The IRS asked a pro-life group to explain its prayers outside Planned Parenthood, which is now a scandal.

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    Re: Inside the AP: Fear, Determination

    if you're still trying to defend this mafioso administration...

    well, doesn't it get lonely?

    "Right now, we’ve sort of been struck by the fact that nobody’s explained why you needed such a broad subpoena, why so many people’s records were subpoenaed,” former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said on "Morning Joe" today. “I know it’s difficult in the middle of an investigation, but I think, quite frankly, it’s something that’s sort of largely owed to the American people."
    Gibbs: Obama Administration Must Explain AP Investigation To The American People | RealClearPolitics

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    Re: Inside the AP: Fear, Determination

    It is absolutely the political right's fault the Obama Justice Department ignored the Constitution and failed to follow the law they're charged with enforcing.

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    Re: Inside the AP: Fear, Determination

    There are some who believe that all this is the fault of "the right" when the truth is that the Obama Admin is now hoist by its own petard.

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