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DC Turns On Obama

tererun said:
Congress doesn't have to when one side thinks they are doing something by
attacking obama and not putting forth any legislation to stop their PAC scams, and the other side fights with them top pretend they are doing something while not putting forth any legislation to end the PAC scams. Still, until the point where popular vote is no longer the way congress is elected we cannot truly blame PACs and corporations for this happening. We have to blame a gullible populace who is buying into the fake fighting.
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There is no one more gullible than your average Obama supporter.

Even in the midst of 3 scandals you apologize for him.
 
Cardinal said:
Please tell me that's not actually your theory on the "connection."
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Here's my theory.

We KNOW Max Baucus asked the head of the IRS to investigate Conservative non-profits in 2010.

We know Chuck Schumer wrote a letter to the head of the IRS in 2012 with 6 Democrat signatures asking for investigations into the Conservative non -profits

We also KNOW Obama is a liar.

The IRSs specific investigations based on political ideology are not isolated down to a couple of office workers who were trying to speed up the process, they are a matter of IRS policy.

Who has that kind of power to change their policy ?
 
Fenton said:
There is no one more gullible than your average Obama supporter.

Even in the midst of 3 scandals you apologize for him.
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You guys are building yourselves up into the same tizzy as you were leading up to the 2012 election. What you seem to be so slow to learn is that when everything is a scandal, nothing is a scandal. That's not because nothing is actually a legitimate scandal, it's just that the real ones end up getting buried in noise that is ultimately indistinguishable from hysteria and conspiracy theories. The end result is people stop paying attention of fatigue and just roll their eyes.

There's a reason why "choose your battles wisely" is wisdom.
 
By the way, I believe the AP scandal is a legitimate scandal. But you guys have been going on for so long now that it's hard for me not to roll my eyes and I believe it's a legitimate scandal!
 
Fenton said:
Cardinal said:
What's the connection between the IRS scandal and Obama? :confused:[/
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First, mitigating the scandal by lying about the IRS scandal, about who was actually at fault implies that the change was made at a much higher level.

Max Baucus wrote the IRS a letter in 2010, stating they should look after these Conservative groups.

Chuck Shcumer wrote a letter in 2012, with 6 signatures from Democrats, one being Al Frankin.

This was a policy adjustment.
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These groups should have been investigated and they did not deserve to get 501(c)(4) status. These are not social welfare organizations, they are clearly PACs that should have filed as 527s. This was done not for tax status, (you get the exact same status as a 527), but to hide their donors. What we're looking at is a concerted effort to launder money into the political process by both right and leftwing organizations.

Saying that these groups are not political is like saying that the DNC and RNC are just Social Welfare organizations with missions to educate voters about the evils of the other side. They're political organizations. I mean, if you use Tea Party in your name... kind of by definition you're a political organization.

The problem isn't that these groups were targeted, the problem is that the criteria used select them was politically biased. It's not that they were unfairly targeted, its' that other liberal groups may have been unfairly NOT targeted.


Also, this was all overseen by a Republican nominated by Bush.
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Cardinal said:
Please tell me that's not actually your theory on the "connection."
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It's not a theory, like Obama always say we have an ongoing investigation and until all the fact are in.................................
 
Cardinal said:
You guys are building yourselves up into
the same tizzy as you were leading up
to the 2012 election. What you seem to be so slow to learn is that when everything is a scandal, nothing is a scandal. That's not because nothing is actually a legitimate scandal, it's just that the real ones end up getting buried in noise that is ultimately indistinguishable from hysteria and conspiracy theories. The end result is people stop paying attention of fatigue and just roll their eyes.

There's a reason why "choose your battles wisely" is wisdom.
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Look, if youv'e sold out every ounce of integrity and objectivity to back a corrupt ideology and a corrupt President then there is nothing I can do for you.

Just realize there are people here, most on the right who use the truth to shape their ideology, not the other way around.

So if you can't objectivley step out side of your "Obama Lust" box, and imagine what the consequences would be if GW Bush was trying to deal with these scandals, then head off to the Democrat Underground Circle Jerk, and preach to like minded individuals.

There is NOTHING, and I repeat NOTHING honest that is comming out of this administration now.

The IRS scandal was released purposely, to pull focus away from Benghazi, to give the subjective press a chance to Mime a representation of objectivity because Obama knows he can distance himself from it.

That the normal Govt controls set in place to seperate the IRS and the Executive Branch would be enough to shield him from any direct association.
 
Fenton said:
Look, if youv'e sold out every ounce of integrity and objectivity to back a corrupt ideology and a corrupt President then there is nothing I can do for you.

Just realize there are people here, most on the right who use the truth to shape their ideology, not the other way around.

So if you can't objectivley step out side of your "Obama Lust" box, and imagine what the consequences would be if GW Bush was trying to deal with these scandals, then head off to the Democrat Underground Circle Jerk, and preach to like minded individuals.

There is NOTHING, and I repeat NOTHING honest that is comming out of this administration now.

The IRS scandal was released purposely, to pull focus away from Benghazi, to give the subjective press a chance to Mime a representation of objectivity because Obama knows he can distance himself from it.

That the normal Govt controls set in place to seperate the IRS and the Executive Branch would be enough to shield him from any direct association.
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Not being in agreement with every single thing being a scandal does not equal "Obama lust." I just don't automatically leap to the conclusion that every single story is tied in to him. I guess I have to repeat this: I believe the AP scandal is a legitimate scandal. Whoever made the order (yes, even if that's Obama) needs to pay for it. And I do in fact find it plausible that Obama may have made the order himself simply in light of his past and frequent disregard for privacy and civil liberties. But this IRS thing and Benghazi, much like birtherism, is noise and idiocy. I'm just able to tell the difference between them better than you.

As for the idea of the IRS story being released deliberately, you don't make the Federal government look good by making it look bad.
 
Born Free said:
It's not a theory, like Obama always say we have an ongoing investigation and until all the fact are in.................................
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So you'll just assume Obama is to blame anyway, then.
 
The IRS/ Tea Party mess, Benghazi, the AP taps, and let's not forget Fast and Furious. It looks like the wheels are coming off this administration. "Most transparent administration ever".
 
Mithros said:
Fenton said:
These groups should have been investigated and they did not deserve to get 501(c)(4) status. These are not social welfare organizations, they are clearly PACs that should have filed as 527s. This was done not for tax status, (you get the exact same status as a 527), but to hide their donors. What we're looking at is a concerted effort to launder money into the political process by both right and leftwing organizations.

Saying that these groups are not political is like saying that the DNC and RNC are just Social Welfare organizations with missions to educate voters about the evils of the other side. They're political organizations. I mean, if you use Tea Party in your name... kind of by definition you're a political organization.

The problem isn't that these groups were targeted, the problem is that the criteria used select them was politically biased. It's not that they were unfairly targeted, its' that other liberal groups may have been unfairly NOT targeted.


Also, this was all overseen by a Republican nominated by Bush.
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Whats hilarious is the latest spin coming from Axelrod is paraphrased: "government is so big how can the President possibly know what all his people are doing?" IE, they are playing the plausible deniability card. They arent even pretending to hold up your argument they are still playing dumb.

Thanks for making an excellent argument for smaller government there Axel. If its not accountable to the Congress and the President now, why make it bigger so its not accountable to anyone?
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tech30528 said:
The IRS/ Tea Party mess, Benghazi, the AP taps, and let's not forget Fast and Furious. It looks like the wheels are coming off this administration. "Most transparent administration ever".
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It's funny how fast that little incident was forgotten and by the same people who are usually for gun control. Oh the irony!
 
It's a good thing that Obama has a 'Carney' to run this sideshow.

*badum tshh*
 
Cardinal said:
Not being in agreement with every single thing being a scandal does not equal
"Obama lust." I just don't automatically leap to the conclusion that every single story is tied in to him. I guess I have to repeat this: I believe the AP scandal is a legitimate scandal. Whoever made the order (yes, even if that's Obama) needs to pay for it. And I do in fact find it plausible that Obama may have made the order himself simply in light of his past and frequent disregard for privacy and civil liberties. But this IRS thing and Benghazi, much like birtherism, is noise and idiocy. I'm just able to tell the difference between them better than you.

As for the idea of the IRS story being released deliberately, you don't make the Federal government look good by making it look bad.
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Who's leaping to conclusions ?

By the standard alone of "the bucks stops here " there is enough evidence to prove he's a sorry leader.

Look at their MO, the blame always falls back on some nameless, faceless low level bureaucrat, who never faces the consequences.

Nice lesson our President is teaching the kids these days. You don't have to be held responsible if through dishonest finger pointing you can lead the blame away from yourself.

I didn't vote for Obama, because I knew based on his books, his past associates and his political ideology that he was essentially a dishonest man with a huge axe to grind.

Not a man who would wan't to become President and make America stronger, but a man who in every thread of his beings holds contempt for how this Country was founded.

I don't need to refer you back to his " charter of negative liberties comment" do I ?

So its no surprise to me, nor should it be to any other American that he's mired in scandal with a very sick economy to return to, and that his response to these scandals is to basically act like a 5 year old who just got caught with his hands in the Cookie Jar.

Who knows, maybe something good will come out of this mess, maybe all of these low information voters who ignored red flag after red flag during his 2008 Candidacy, who blindly bought in to all of the Bush blame will learn a valuable lesson.

That CHARACTER MATTERS.

But then again, so many Americans have devolved down into these ignorant intellectual lazy life forms who rely on the Media to do their research for them.

As long as they have some electronic device in front of their face and a McDonalds within 3 miles of their home life is good.
 
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tererun said:
Yes, Obama magically controlled the IRS to do this without any correspondence at all. I am sure that will pass for evidence. You can get up there and testify you know all about obama's psychic powers he got from the same guy who sold him the time machine he went back and forged his birth certificate and birth notifications with. About the only thing you found is that PACs should not be able to hide their donors, and they probably should also be taxed as they seem to generate a lot of money and serve no other purpose than to hide money.


How about the republican party stop running people who are much much worse.


They are called politicians for a reason. the silly part here is you think yours are honest little angels who would never do anything wrong.
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The Obama administration is more of a "fish rots from the head" situation. In other words the dishonesty, law breaking, divisiveness, rancor, personalization, polarization, and isolation practiced by the President against his opponents serves as the example and the underlinings all across the administration from the IRS to the ATF to the EPA to the Justice Department know what to do. That is to say, to stop at nothing. And now even Democrats and the news media are aghast and embarrassed at what they have wrought.
 
Cardinal said:
What's the connection between the IRS scandal and Obama? :confused:
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It's tough to say when knowledge of these latest scandals are literally only hours old but I think the answer is clearly not good.

I only see two real scenarios:

(1) He knowingly sicced the IRS (and also Justice Department) on his political enemies.
(2) The IRS (and also Justice Department) are just two more departments under his control which operate free from White House oversight.

I'm not sure which is better, to be honest. One would think the POTUS would have at least given a stern talking to to his Cabinet after he insists he was in the dark about the ATF's gun walking activities. One would also think he would have gotten real serious after his choice of nominee for Sec. of State made him look like an asshole by insisting Americans died over a YouTube video. I think it's time for some serious introspection on his part in whether he should continue in the job. Forget phone tapping and non-profit designations, he actually has a sizable body count associated with his hands off approach to management.
 
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yeah that's what it was. Nixon was just a victim and did nothing wrong. :doh


Fenton said:
Nixon was never impeached, and he was 100 times the leader Obama is. He got a raw deal IMO.

Nixon of course, had a media that wanted him gone, and that turned Republican support away from him.

Obama has a complicit media, I still think they will back him.
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I certainly expect that there will be a new batch of lies to cover the old batch of lies. Not much we can do about that. My question is what are we to do with the media that backed the lies? There may not be anything illegal about what they did, but they lied to us every bit as much as the White House did. I suspect that the Obamabots will let that slide too.
 
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Cardinal said:
So you'll just assume Obama is to blame anyway, then.
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Where did I ever say that? I swear "some people". Try reading what I say. Nice try, trying to put words in my mouth, but that's really a dumb ploy.
 
Its over the Fat Lady sang pack your bags Obama you just lost tingle up my leg Chris Matthews


Chris Matthews

“And this is why it’s important to voters, When you go in the voting booth, you only get one vote. You pick Romney or Obama. When you pick Obama, you want to know the steering wheel that you just turned to the left a little bit, you want that to matter. That means you want that president you voted for to run things. That’s the only power you have as a citizen. Pick the person you want to run things, and then they run them.”

“For anybody to run around in Washington and say ‘We don’t run the IRS,’ or ‘We can’t control the Justice Department, and I’m recusing myself,’ they say ‘The steering wheel doesn’t control the car any more.’ The person says ‘I want the person I voted for to be in charge. The only power I have, and you’re telling me I don’t have it? Because you don’t have it. And that is going to really bug people, especially people that care about government doing a good job.”
 
tech30528 said:
I certainly expect that there will be a new batch of lied to cover the old batch of lies. Not much we can do about that. My question is what are we to do with the media that backed the lies? There may not be anything illegal about what they did, but they lied to us every bit as much as the White House did. I suspect that the Obamabots will let that slide too.
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What is truth? Everyone has a different way of perceiveing the world around them. So what can we define as truth?
 
tech30528 said:
I certainly expect that there will be a new batch of lied to cover the old batch of lies. Not much we can do about that. My question is what are we to do with the media that backed the lies? There may not be anything illegal about what they did, but they lied to us every bit as much as the White House did. I suspect that the Obamabots will let that slide too.
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Yeah the main stream media listened to Obama's lies and repeated then and lied more to cover what he left out of his coverup lies. But now even the main stream is saying "wait a minute, this lying is getting out of hand even for us lairs"
 
Fenton said:
Nixon was never impeached, and he was 100 times the leader Obama is. He got a raw deal IMO.

Nixon of course, had a media that wanted him gone, and that turned Republican support away from him.

Obama has a complicit media, I still think they will back him.
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They will back him no matter what. He could be slamming heroine and running around naked on the white house lawn, and somehow they will spin it in his favor.
 
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