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White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

Yep, most Americans have much better things to do than listen to what today's out of touch GOP has to say about anything.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.

21 million of them are looking for jobs, over 100 million their taxpayer funded welfare, and 10 million trying to find the jobs Obama has lost
 
Too bad he never once honored the dead soldiers arriving at Dover. Does he think this will make up for THAT?

No, unlike "your" media hound Obama he met with families outside the view of cameras. Amazing isn't it that Bush still has 60% support from the military? Bush visited Walter Reed, families in the WH, and families in cities that he visited. Your hatred of Bush is misguided at best
 
Anti EMP measures from a nuclear weapon is a bit of overkill.

Whatever your EMPing, you could just nuke.

Plus anti-emp isn't that difficult to accomplish.

Good evening, Fenton. :2wave:

Before we left Politico to join DP, we had quite a discussion on possible grid failure. It was suggested that burying all the miles of wires that supply electricity would be a good way to provide jobs for the unemployed in this country, while providing security. Farraday cages were one of the suggestions that were offered. Someone else felt that the strike would be at the computers that controlled electricity usage, and while the cages would protect against an EMP, nothing could protect against hacking. Is that possible??
 
Good evening, Fenton. :2wave:

Before we left Politico to join DP, we had quite a discussion on possible grid failure. It was suggested that burying all the miles of wires that supply electricity would be a good way to provide jobs for the unemployed in this country, while providing security. Farraday cages were one of the suggestions that were offered. Someone else felt that the strike would be at the computers that controlled electricity usage, and while the cages would protect against an EMP, nothing could protect against hacking. Is that possible??

High Polgara ! :2wave:

EMP protection typically revolves around providing a integral "shield" that's thoroughly grounded, a path that would route the massive energy spike around all of the sensitive Printed Circuit Boards and safely to ground. A Farraday Cage is good way to explain the process of EMP protection but isn't necessarily needed.

Most electronic devices, everything from cell phones to flat screen TV's have electromagnetic protection and so do Electric substations. All AC conductors create alternating electro-magnetic waves that can and will interfere with sensitive electronic devices. If you disassemble a Flat Screen Tv you'll find the different circuit boards and modules covered with a layer of thin conductive metal film that is directly tied to that devices ground.

I have been in the field of electronics and high voltage trouble shooting for almost 30 years now, and I could never see a good reason for a EMP weapon. A EMP device assumes that who ever is attacking wants the infrastructure to remain and for what I don't know.

When Clinton started his Kosovo re-direct, one of the first weapons that went in courtesy of the USA was a cruise missile that's payload was filled with long strips of highly conductive carbon fiber fabric.

It released massive amounts of highly conductive carbon fabric strings that wound up draped over power lines and electrical substations, tripping main circuit breakers and sending that area into darkness.

So other than attempting to completely destroy massive amounts of hardware that could be done with a bomb I don't know why a EMP would even be practical.
 
Thanks for that Fenton. However, it should be noted that our grid is not fully shielded. Yes we know it should be, but it's not, at least not yet. We have had problems with X type solar events when they are aimed at Earth and will continue to have these problem until we address the grid as a whole. A locally deployed EMP device would be much more powerful than the X type flare event that can give us problems now and could very well overwhelm a weakly shielded (and perhaps vital) portion of our electrical infrastructure.

Not near the disaster you see in the apocalypse movies, but still bad. However, many of the nations where we had boots on the ground are not even close to shielded, making EMP weapons an effective thing to develop.
 
about benghazi, 55% of americans believe the white house is engaged in COVERUP

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...benghazi-thats-a-problem-for-president-obama/

that's astounding, down the decades one of the very difficult charges to hang on a sitting prez is that particular brand of denial and deception that brought down tricky dick

60% of I's and 30% of D's agree, the white house "is trying to cover up the facts"

unless jay carney can come up with something an awful lot better than the utter nonsense he's offered so far, "equal parts equivocation, amnesia and indignation" (according to wapo), those numbers can only grow

why was the truth ("islamic extremists with ties to al qaeda") removed from the cia advisory while the lie ("spontaneous demonstrations") was left in?

why was the video introduced only at the 11th hour?

who edited the talking points, who was present at david rhodes' (brother of cbs new president ben) saturday morning deputies meeting preceding susan-rice-sunday?

why won't the white house say?

why does the admin want you to believe it's staffed by idiots?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162...benghazi-we-made-mistakes-but-without-malice/

when a white house leaks to sharyl attkisson that it's bungling and incompetent, what could it possibly be protecting?

cuz the more we talk about these things...

seeya in committee, comrades

bring a whistleblower
 
Thanks for that Fenton. However, it should be noted that our grid is not fully
shielded. Yes we know it should be, but it's not, at least not yet. We have had problems with X type solar events when they are aimed at Earth and will continue to have these problem until we address the grid as a whole. A locally deployed EMP device would be much more powerful than the X type flare event that can give us problems now and could very well overwhelm a weakly shielded (and perhaps vital) portion of our electrical infrastructure.

Not near the disaster you see in the apocalypse movies, but still bad. However, many of the nations where we had boots on the ground are not even close to shielded, making EMP weapons an effective thing to develop.

Yea I've given EMP weaponry some thought, and it just doesn't seem practical.

First, any nuclear detonation will give off massive amounts of gamma rays which in turn scatter massive amounts of free electrons into the atmosphere causing oscillating shifts in the Earths natural Electro Magnetic Field thus creating EMP's.

EMP's strong enough to affect large areas and enough to cripple our infrastructure.

If a Country were trying to purposely detonate high altitude Nuclear weapons for this purpose over America, then all pretense to all out Nuclear war would be cast aside as our SSBMs " Boomers" rained in our Country's response on their city's.

A response because a EMP type weapon would be a first strike option to slow down or stop any retalliation.

Why waste a Nuke by allowing all of it's power to be absorbed by the atmosphere in the hopes of targeting our electrical infrastructure when a targeted strike at 500 ft would completely decimate the infrastructure and make reconstruction, at least in that area not feasable for decades ?

My oldest is in the Navy, and I try to get him to give up the goods on the new tech and stuff I'm not suppposed to know about when he comes home to visit, but he's a good kid and just assures me that whatever they have under some of those decks is interesting.

Hmmmmm.....maybe I need to waterboard the boy.

I guess my point is by it's nature, by it's infered reason for deployment, any EMP heading our way would lead really quickly to a escalation that would make its use irrelevent in the first place.
 
Absolutely, and without any further delay. An EMP weapon, properly placed, would bring the US to it's knees within a very short period of time.

A nuclear weapon necessary to generate that big of an EMP wouldn't leave much to be disabled by the electromagnetic blast. Which brings us back to MAD.

Thus, no. Furthermore, most of the military equipment these days is shielded. Heck, lots of the civilian stuff is too these days.

The Next Fake Threat | Alternet

Last time we actually tried an EMP it didn't do much damage. And that was on an area with short lines which exacerbate the problem. When you have hundreds of miles of line in the Continental US, it gets kind of stupid.

It's far more likely we'd get smuggled fissile material into the US and then have bombs built here and driven by panel van to targets.
 
Sticking it to the '47 percent'.

That's one of the main reasons why we don't have a President Romney.





"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.

Yeah, Romney derailed by a dishonest leftist, meanwhile you are content with lies that cover up loss of life, and liberty from a clear liar.

You just keep that head in the sand, and enjoy the collapse of Europe.
 
The "Jobs Bill". A rather broad-based plan which was quite popular with the American people.

NBC/WSJ poll: Despite defeat, Obama's jobs bill is popular - First Read

Do you even know when that Jobs Bill was defeated and what it actually does? You continue to buy the rhetoric and ignore the substances as usual. Why hasn't Harry Reid submitted House Passed bills to the full Senate for Debate? You seem to lack basic research capabilities and only buy what you are told.
 
Do you even know when that Jobs Bill was defeated and what it actually does? You continue to buy the rhetoric and ignore the substances as usual. Why hasn't Harry Reid submitted House Passed bills to the full Senate for Debate? You seem to lack basic research capabilities and only buy what you are told.
Point is that popularity of GOP in Congress is way lower than Obama, who still has a pretty high approval rating. So, in short, the RW whine isn't catching on with anyone outside the bubble--noted by Fox News being the outlier.
Obama: Job Ratings
 
A nuclear weapon necessary to generate that big of an EMP wouldn't leave much to be disabled by the electromagnetic blast. Which brings us back to MAD.

Thus, no. Furthermore, most of the military equipment these days is shielded. Heck, lots of the civilian stuff is too these days.

The Next Fake Threat | Alternet

Last time we actually tried an EMP it didn't do much damage. And that was on an area with short lines which exacerbate the problem. When you have hundreds of miles of line in the Continental US, it gets kind of stupid.

It's far more likely we'd get smuggled fissile material into the US and then have bombs built here and driven by panel van to targets.


Well, I guess in 2005 the information available to the public regarding EMP's didn't show much of a threat. Wonder if that holds true 8 years later.

I do think your scenario is more likely - a dirty weapon of some sort. Lots of available material around.
 
Point is that popularity of GOP in Congress is way lower than Obama, who still has a pretty high approval rating. So, in short, the RW whine isn't catching on with anyone outside the bubble--noted by Fox News being the outlier.
Obama: Job Ratings

Does it matter what a national poll number for Congress shows when Congressional elections are local so what matters are local polls on Congressional races. As for Obama what matters are the internals of the poll so for example the CNN poll surveyed 43% Democrats, 34% Republicans, and 23% independents. What would you expect the Obama poll numbers to show, higher or lower?

Your love and support for Obama is quite interesting and the question is why? What economic policy has he implemented that makes things better for you and your family? Does it bother you that the 4th largest budget item is interest on the debt? How does that help you and your family?
 
Being anti Far Right doesn't make someone an Obama supporter. If the GOP had some sense they'd reach out to the moderates instead of insulting them by calling them RINO. But...doing what makes sense and the Far Right is definitely an oxymoron.
 
Yeah, Romney derailed by a dishonest leftist, meanwhile you are content with lies that cover up loss of life, and liberty from a clear liar.

You just keep that head in the sand, and enjoy the collapse of Europe.






#1. Romney was derailed by his own stupidity. The GOP will continue to lose presidential elections until it changes course and finds someone who can attract broad national support.

#2. My head is not in the sand.

#3. Europe is in no danger of collapse.

#4. I am enjoying my life. :lol:

Have a nice day.





"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
Being anti Far Right doesn't make someone an Obama supporter. If the GOP had some sense they'd reach out to the moderates instead of insulting them by calling them RINO. But...doing what makes sense and the Far Right is definitely an oxymoron.

This country was built on individualism and self reliance with neighbor helping neighbor and the govt. isn't that neighbor. Not sure what you believe the Republicans are trying to do but as evidenced by your posts you believe what you are being told by others. There is a far right and a far left so what makes the far right worse than the far left?
 
Being anti Far Right doesn't make someone an Obama supporter. If the GOP had some sense they'd reach out to the moderates instead of insulting them by calling them RINO. But...doing what makes sense and the Far Right is definitely an oxymoron.

Why do you care and why should anyone on the right care what you have to say about how they should operate?
 
Why do you care and why should anyone on the right care what you have to say about how they should operate?
Because I used to vote Republican. Duh.
 
This country was built on individualism and self reliance with neighbor helping neighbor and the govt. isn't that neighbor. Not sure what you believe the Republicans are trying to do but as evidenced by your posts you believe what you are being told by others. There is a far right and a far left so what makes the far right worse than the far left?

Far Right refuses to use their head, they are simply emotion. Like the scandal stuff. Comparing anything Obama here to Watergate is completely deranged. It results in making the Right look stupid. Alex Jones-like would be the most apt way to describe what's happened to the GOP./
 
Because I used to vote Republican. Duh.

With as anti-right/pro-left as you are presently it would be stupid for the right to listen to what you have to say regarding how they should function. Even though you may not be aware of it, it's one of Alinsky's tactics to move the opposition off it's ground and thus weaken it's support.
 
With as anti-right/pro-left as you are presently it would be stupid for the right to listen to what you have to say regarding how they should function. Even though you may not be aware of it, it's one of Alinsky's tactics to move the opposition off it's ground and thus weaken it's support.

Well...I certainly have no doubt that the Republican party left me. And, I'm quite content to see that the D's moved far enough to the Right to attract folks like me while blowing off nutjobs like the OWS, Utopians like Kucinich and the race hustlers like the Jessie Jackson contingent.

You, OTOH, better expect to continue losing national elections, especially as the old-school angry white guys die off. In other words, have fun talking to that empty chair.
 
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