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White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

Conservative said:
Whose Watch? Bush's. So exactly what action would you have supported to prevent 9/11? Whose responsibility? Radical Islam. Let me remind you of the 9/11 Commission report and the following:



Now let me ask you why do you always have to divert to Bush when the topic is Obama and his failures? Are the Bush standards really what you want to judge Obama by?
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Just pointing out your hypocrisy again, Conservative. Can you name a single time that your hero took responsibility for anything in office? Why are you so "outraged" by Obama, but express zero outrage and only endearing admiration for a clown that never once took responsibility for anything? Could it be because of an (R)? Most likely.
 
Conservative said:
You are so right, the only time corruption, lies, distortions, and issues are when liberals want to make them an issue by distorting reality. You were scammed by the Obama Administration and the right thing to do is show maturity and admit it.
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When have you shown "maturity" and "admitted" your being scammed by GWB? Oops....I guess never. Conservative, your "feigned outrage" is hilarious.
 
Conservative said:
So exactly what action would you have supported to prevent 9/11?
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hmmmmmmmmm.....I dunno. Maybe paying attention to intelligent reports that Al Quaida and Bin Laden were planning to use planes as missles to attack American soil?

That probably would have been a good place to start.
 
Conservative said:
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The only people being scammed are you and the rest of your ilk.

But that's nothing new, is it? A clueless republican base being fed lies and whipped into a frenzy over what really amounts to nothing?
 
disneydude said:
Just pointing out your hypocrisy again, Conservative. Can you name a single time that your hero took responsibility for anything in office? Why are you so "outraged" by Obama, but express zero outrage and only endearing admiration for a clown that never once took responsibility for anything? Could it be because of an (R)? Most likely.
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Again, I will point out Bush isn't in office and has nothing to do with the scandals and the economic performance of this Administration. The question is if you were so outraged by Bush why are you giving Obama a pass for what may be perceived as the same activities?
 
babilfish said:
The only people being scammed are you and the rest of your ilk.

But that's nothing new, is it? A clueless republican base being fed lies and whipped into a frenzy over what really amounts to nothing?
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Absolutely, totally scammed as apparently were Ambassador Steven's family, the AP reporters who had their phone records reviewed, and of course those conservative groups under scrutiny by the IRS. No problem, no there, there, right? Much ado about nothing in the liberal world. Interesting how all these activities were reported by liberals during the Bush term when apparently they were major issues but not so now. Do you really want to give Obama a pass for what you perceived Bush to have done and does that make it right?
 
Perotista said:
We are not saving the country by putting the same people back in charge that created and has gotten this country into the mess it is in today. The choice is between which fox, the red fox or the grey fox we let into the hen house. It doesn't matter, the chickens will be in the same peril. The problem is the people listen to the rhetoric, the talking points, the slogans and no one watches how they govern.
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You can't possibly believe that Romney would be less effective in the Presidency than Obama has proven to be? Clearly, Romney's track record of working with Democrats in Massachussetts belies that. And you can't possibly believe that Romney would be less effective in improving the economic environment in the US - that's just not credible. Even if I assume you're correct when you equate Romney and Obama as being two sides of the same coin, just the two areas mentioned above would be strong determinates in a Romney Presidency over a reelection of Obama.
 
disneydude said:
hmmmmmmmmm.....I dunno. Maybe paying attention to intelligent reports that Al Quaida and Bin Laden were planning to use planes as missles to attack American soil?

That probably would have been a good place to start.
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You mean like the PDB in December 1998 given to Clinton. What did he do to prevent 9/11 and to make our airports safer? You actually think Bush had the power to make changes 8 months into office coming off the closest election in history? You think the left would have sat back willingly as Bush shutdown the airports with no credible threat? Why didn't Clinton implement policies that Bush did after 9/11?
 
apdst said:
They're hiding this for a reason...someone broke the law.
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There are checks and balances on these things.

Why did the judge grant the subpeona?

I would like to see the application for the subpeona.
 
poweRob said:
My bad... I wasn't aware that you don't care about lives of people that aren't Ambassadors... like a US Diplomat and these other folks:
January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.​

Parse it all you want to try and differentiate but your conspiracy hypotheses still won't pan out.
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Did the Bush administration deny security to those people when asked?
 
poweRob said:
No one blatantly lied. That is in your head. All you got is them being wrong about the movie instigating the situation and if that is all the GOP sharks have at this point... not to mention why would anyone give a rats ass what caused it... then you guys got nothing but noise.
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Saying something they knew to be false is lying. It is textbook lying.
 
humbolt said:
"What? What three ring circus? We're just trying to have a waffle here." All this talk about getting Obama out of office is disturbing. Who wants to be responsible for running the first black president out of office? I know I don't. Besides, think of all the fun we can have for the next three years watching this show.
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Why do you bring up the color of his skin? Should he have some special protection that any other color man would not have?
 
poweRob said:
My bad... I wasn't aware that you don't care about lives of people that aren't Ambassadors... like a US Diplomat and these other folks:

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.​

Parse it all you want to try and differentiate but your conspiracy hypotheses still won't pan out.
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Most of the incidents you listed took place outside to the Embassy grounds, on the other side of the wall where the U.S. government has no authority.

Where terrorist were able to enter the Embassy grounds, none were able to actually enter the Embassy building, that's where Marine Security detachments responsibility begins. Marine security detachment are not responsible for Embassy perimeter security.

All of the incidents you listed, the terrorist were not able to take over the Embassy. Those who were able to penetrate the security wall were killed.
 
babilfish said:
Don't care about the opinions of your imagined liberal co-workers.
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hahaha. You will certainly care at mid term election time when my imagined liberal co-workers stay on the sidelines


The only people who even care about these "scandals" are the same undereducated, easily duped republicans and libertarians that have been against Obama since day one.
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meanwhile, back in reality my local news even covered these scandals last night. so the low information voters that you typically rely on are even getting informed of these scandals.
 
APACHERAT said:
Most of the incidents you listed took place outside to the Embassy grounds, on the other side of the wall where the U.S. government has no authority.

Where terrorist were able to enter the Embassy grounds, none were able to actually enter the Embassy building, that's where Marine Security detachments responsibility begins. Marine security detachment are not responsible for Embassy perimeter security.

All of the incidents you listed, the terrorist were not able to take over the Embassy. Those who were able to penetrate the security wall were killed.
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Now let's not confuse an Obama supporter with the "rest of the story" in addition to the fact that NO Americans were killed nor did any claim that they weren't provided the security requested. In addition the Bush Administration didn't blame any of the attacks on any anti Islam video nor was Bush on any fund raising trips so as to not be interrupted by something so insignificant as these kind of attacks.
 
Conservative said:
Again, I will point out Bush isn't in office and has nothing to do with the scandals and the economic performance of this Administration. The question is if you were so outraged by Bush why are you giving Obama a pass for what may be perceived as the same activities?
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LOL....you are missing the point. Why are you dodging and so afraid to talk about your hypocrisy? Is it because your "feigned outrage" is being exposed?

As for your questions: I am as outraged at the Obama administration surveilling citizens and the AP just as I was with the Bush administration.
I am as outraged that Obama has not closed Gitmo and is continuing in the same vein as Bush in that arena.

I am not as outraged at Obama as I am at Bush for his handling of Iraq/Afghanistan. Obama didn't manipulate the public fear and start a war with a country that didn't attack us. Obama finished the job that your hero couldn't.

The better question is: Why do you continue to give GWB a pass while you feign outrage at Obama?
 
Conservative said:
You mean like the PDB in December 1998 given to Clinton. What did he do to prevent 9/11 and to make our airports safer? You actually think Bush had the power to make changes 8 months into office coming off the closest election in history? You think the left would have sat back willingly as Bush shutdown the airports with no credible threat? Why didn't Clinton implement policies that Bush did after 9/11?
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Yes, Bush had almost a year to act and chose to do nothing. I don't blame Bush though, he was in over his head and he knew it. Bush's biggest failure was surrounding himself with the neocons who ran his administration. He was really just a puppethead.
 
disneydude;1061811295]LOL....you are missing the point. Why are you dodging and so afraid to talk about your hypocrisy? Is it because your "feigned outrage" is being exposed?
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Sorry but you have yet to make a point, you bought the rhetoric and ignored the facts from the 9/11 commission as well as all the Democrats signing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998. Amazing how much power Bush had at the national level from his office as Governor of TX

As for your questions: I am as outraged at the Obama administration surveilling citizens and the AP just as I was with the Bush administration.
I am as outraged that Obama has not closed Gitmo and is continuing in the same vein as Bush in that arena.

I am not as outraged at Obama as I am at Bush for his handling of Iraq/Afghanistan. Obama didn't manipulate the public fear and start a war with a country that didn't attack us. Obama finished the job that your hero couldn't.
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Again, more misinformation as usual, the Status of Forces agreement of 2008 ended the Iraq War which Bush won and Obama has lost the peace. Living in California I am not at all surprised that you don't get basic information there just like all those Democrat quotes posted have been ignored by you. If Bush lied like you said he should have been impeached but wasn't, any idea why? Maybe if you read the Democrat quotes you would understand. Democrats wanted the issue and people like you buying the issue and not the facts. Impeachment charges would have put the Democrat quotes on the record and they didn't want that.

The better question is: Why do you continue to give GWB a pass while you feign outrage at Obama?
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Because it serves no purpose now to blame Bush for what Obama is doing. I didn't vote for Bush in 2008
 
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disneydude said:
Yes, Bush had almost a year to act and chose to do nothing. I don't blame Bush though, he was in over his head and he knew it. Bush's biggest failure was surrounding himself with the neocons who ran his administration. He was really just a puppethead.
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I asked you a question about what you would have supported and didn't get an answer. Bush took office on January 21, 2001 and 9/11 happened how many months later. Need help with math? I suggest that you stop buying the liberal talking points and answer direct questions as well as read the 9/11 report. Like all liberals you prefer believing what you are told vs. doing any research.
 
Conservative said:
Now let's not confuse an Obama supporter with the "rest of the story" in addition to the fact that NO Americans were killed nor did any claim that they weren't provided the security requested. In addition the Bush Administration didn't blame any of the attacks on any anti Islam video nor was Bush on any fund raising trips so as to not be interrupted by something so insignificant as these kind of attacks.
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Lets not forget that President G.W. Bush didn't spend eight years blaming President Clinton's failed anti terrorist policies.
 
APACHERAT said:
Lets not forget that President G.W. Bush didn't spend eight years blaming President Clinton's failed anti terrorist policies.
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Too many Obama supporters have too much invested in their hate Bush rhetoric that they ignore actual facts. They prefer having the issue vs. having the facts and promote their agenda over and over again which is nothing more than BDS(Bush Derangement Syndrome) on display.
 
disneydude said:
LOL.... Obama didn't manipulate the public fear and start a war with a country that didn't attack us. Obama finished the job that your hero couldn't.
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What about Obama spitting on the Constitution when he ignored the Wars Power Act and waged a war against Libya ?

What job did Obama "finished" that Bush didn't ?

The withdraw agreement of American troops departing Iraq was signed when Bush was POTUS.

As for Afghanistan, Obama NOT ONCE ! ever mentioned the words "win" or "victory." Probably because he has no intentions of winning in Afghanistan. Obama has already announced to our enemies that our troops will not be allowed to accomplish their mission and will be pulled out starting in 2014. To not to offend our enemies in Afghanistan, Obama signed off on politically correct Rules of Engagement (ROE) that favor the enemy and has resulted in more American troops to bleed and die on the battlefield in the name of liberal political correctness.

You are aware that more American troops have been killed in Afghanistan in less than four years of Obama first term as POTUS than all of the American troops who were killed in Afghanistan during the 7 years and 3 months during the Bush administration. Do you know why ? Bush's ROE for our troops was to kill the enemy before he kills you. Obama's ROE don't shoot your rifle at the enemy until he shoots at you.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Not to excuse the White House, but let's be clear - we're not talking about wiretaps at all - we're talking about the Justice Department seeking a court order subpeona for access to the telephone records of AP - there is a difference, even if neither appears to be kosher.
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Two years' worth including the personal cell phones?

Same kind of thing. It's really an abuse of power no matter how you slice it, but yes, wire taps is probably not accurate.
 
disneydude said:
No they didn't. That was part of the whole issue. Bush fought against even getting warrants AFTER the fact. So before you start spouting off...at least know what you are talking about. Geesh.....
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If I remember correctly, this was done under the auspices of the Patriot Act and was also done only when one of the conversation participants was outside our borders. Is that what you are talking about?
 
code1211 said:
Two years' worth including the personal cell phones?

Same kind of thing. It's really an abuse of power no matter how you slice it, but yes, wire taps is probably not accurate.
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Who started the so-called "personal cell phone"(also known as the lifeline program) policy?
 
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