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White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

humbolt said:
Now, now. Everything to the left of center is yours. You own that political real estate, and all the crazy, the corrupt, and the sublime that come with that territory. Just because the rest of the country is to the right of you and Bernie doesn't mean you get a pass. Those of us on the right own the opposite land, and it has all the same characters and features your side has. It's just that right now the spotlight happens to be shining on your side, and it's really quite a show.
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Good morning, humbolt. :2wave:

Yep, it's turning out to be a three-ring circus, all right! Clowns, trained animals, sleight-of-hand, balancing acts, and popcorn to eat while watching the show! What's not to like? :

"If you can't serve as a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning." Catherine Aird
 
polgara said:
Good morning, humbolt. :2wave:

Yep, it's turning out to be a three-ring circus, all right! Clowns, trained animals, sleight-of-hand, balancing acts, and popcorn to eat while watching the show! What's not to like? :

"If you can't serve as a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning." Catherine Aird
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"What? What three ring circus? We're just trying to have a waffle here." All this talk about getting Obama out of office is disturbing. Who wants to be responsible for running the first black president out of office? I know I don't. Besides, think of all the fun we can have for the next three years watching this show.
 
Conservative said:
So Obama expanding the program is a good thing? We all know the answer to what your attitude would be if Bush generated the scandals that Obama is now facing.
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No. I don't like the idea at all. Its wrong if Obama is doing it just the same as when Bush did it.
 
disneydude said:
No. I don't like the idea at all. Its wrong if Obama is doing it just the same as when Bush did it.
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So you are starting to realize that Obama isn't the person you thought he was? That is a good start
 
Why would there be any outrage? The republicans are manufacturing scandals left and right in some vain attempt to slow down Obama's second term.

Not one of the "scandals" playing in the media right now are noteworthy in the slightest, it's just the typical smear job regressives fall back on year after year.
 
Conservative said:
So you are starting to realize that Obama isn't the person you thought he was? That is a good start
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No. Although I would like to see Obama take more of a liberal position on many things...I fully expected him to carry on many of the Bush policies. I'm disappointed that he is continuing in the same Bush vein with the patriot act and government surveillance.

BTW....a good start will be when you finally start recognizing the hypocrite that you are...condemning Obama for things that Bush did 100x worse....but we both know that that is never going to happen because you are too infatuated with the clown.
 
babilfish said:
Why would there be any outrage? The republicans are manufacturing scandals left and right in some vain attempt to slow down Obama's second term.

Not one of the "scandals" playing in the media right now are noteworthy in the slightest, it's just the typical smear job regressives fall back on year after year.
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The Benghazi charade is manufactured Republican gamesmanship...but I do have to say that I am troubled by the AP/Justice Department revealtions. I expected that from the Bush whitehouse, I'm sad that Obama is continuing it.
 
babilfish said:
Why would there be any outrage? The republicans are manufacturing scandals left and right in some vain attempt to slow down Obama's second term.

Not one of the "scandals" playing in the media right now are noteworthy in the slightest, it's just the typical smear job regressives fall back on year after year.
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Really? Thank you so much for your opinion. I don't recall Watergate being an event about the deaths of any Americans. Seems a double standard to me but then again I am nothing more than a true "regressive" who happens to believe in a limited Central Govt. just like our Founders
 
babilfish said:
Why would there be any outrage? The republicans are manufacturing scandals left and right in some vain attempt to slow down Obama's second term.

Not one of the "scandals" playing in the media right now are noteworthy in the slightest, it's just the typical smear job regressives fall back on year after year.
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the water cooler talk in my office (by Obama supporters) is how fooled they were by him.

the only people defending him over these things are his most loyal lap dogs. For these people, which you are obviously one of, nothing done in Obama's administration would ever be construed as wrong. that has become crystal clear.

I'm not sure if he will ever be able to wash this stink off him.
 
Conservative said:
Really? Thank you so much for your opinion. I don't recall Watergate being an event about the deaths of any Americans. Seems a double standard to me but then again I am nothing more than a true "regressive" who happens to believe in a limited Central Govt. just like our Founders
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Why are you "Outraged" over the death of four Americans....yet continue to give GWB a pass when 3000+ Americans are dead and thousands of other innocent lives were lost? Oops...that's right.....Bush is your hero. We would never expect to hear outrage from you as long as there is an (R) involved.
 
disneydude said:
No. Although I would like to see Obama take more of a liberal position on many things...I fully expected him to carry on many of the Bush policies. I'm disappointed that he is continuing in the same Bush vein with the patriot act and government surveillance.

BTW....a good start will be when you finally start recognizing the hypocrite that you are...condemning Obama for things that Bush did 100x worse....but we both know that that is never going to happen because you are too infatuated with the clown.
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A more liberal position? Why is it that people who apparently unable to compete in a Capitalistic economy always look to the govt. to protect them from their own failures and mistakes? You see, the only think preventing a liberal for succeeding are the errors they make along with poor choices and yet there are successful liberals who now want to destroy the system that allowed them to generate maximum wealth.

You seem to have a very selective memory about the Bush term but we recognize what it is, nothing more than an attempt to divert from the scandals and poor leadership of Obama. I can see why so many liberals are dependent on the Federal Govt. and looking for more entitlements. It really is a shame that far too many people don't understand free enterprise and capitalism. It is free enterprise and the private sector which are preventing us from becoming Europe.
 
ARealConservative said:
the water cooler talk in my office (by Obama supporters) is how fooled they were by him.

the only people defending him over these things are his most loyal lap dogs. For these people, which you are obviously one of, nothing done in Obama's administration would ever be construed as wrong. that has become crystal clear.

I'm not sure if he will ever be able to wash this stink off him.
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I think you are wrong. The overwhelming majority of Americans see Benghazi as the political game that the Republicans are playing. The IRS situation is typical politics, the same thing was done during the Bush administration with the IRS targeting liberal groups. The AP situation is the only one that has any real meat to it.
 
disneydude said:
I think you are wrong. The overwhelming majority of Americans see Benghazi as the political game that the Republicans are playing. The IRS situation is typical politics, the same thing was done during the Bush administration with the IRS targeting liberal groups. The AP situation is the only one that has any real meat to it.
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I doubt any of these three things go all the way to Obama. But each and every one of these are real issues, and certainly make his administration look crooked as hell.
 
disneydude said:
Why are you "Outraged" over the death of four Americans....yet continue to give GWB a pass when 3000+ Americans are dead and thousands of other innocent lives were lost? Oops...that's right.....Bush is your hero. We would never expect to hear outrage from you as long as there is an (R) involved.
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Because the outrage should be directed at the Democrats as well as Bush including Hillary Clinton who supported the war. You don't seem to understand that war is hell and was authorized by Congress which at the time had a Senate under Democrat Control. The vote was 76-23 in favor of the October resolution authorizing whatever action necessary against Saddam Hussein.

Keep trying to divert to Bush but all you do is show your ignorance about what actually happened during the Bush term, just like you seem to have amnesia about the last four plus years. Let me help you.

Debt Up over 6 trillion dollars
Unemployment the same as it was when he took office
employment, the same as it was when he took office
Economic growth lower on average vs. Bush term
Scandals greater than anytime during the Bush term
No leadership at all but plenty of attempts to delegate responsibility
 
humbolt said:
"What? What three ring circus? We're just trying to have a waffle here." All this talk about getting Obama out of office is disturbing. Who wants to be responsible for running the first black president out of office? I know I don't. Besides, think of all the fun we can have for the next three years watching this show.
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so we should give him a pass because he is black
Should Nixon not been forced out of office if he was black?

Not acting because of the color of some ones skin is just as racist as it would be for acting only because of the color of some ones skin
 
ARealConservative said:
I doubt any of these three things go all the way to Obama. But each and every one of these are real issues, and certainly make his administration look crooked as hell.
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I don't disagree because Obama lacks the leadership skills of the office and always tries to delegate responsibility therefore expecting to get no blame. Leaders can never delegate responsibility.
 
Conservative said:
A more liberal position? Why is it that people who apparently unable to compete in a Capitalistic economy always look to the govt. to protect them from their own failures and mistakes? You see, the only think preventing a liberal for succeeding are the errors they make along with poor choices and yet there are successful liberals who now want to destroy the system that allowed them to generate maximum wealth.

You seem to have a very selective memory about the Bush term but we recognize what it is, nothing more than an attempt to divert from the scandals and poor leadership of Obama. I can see why so many liberals are dependent on the Federal Govt. and looking for more entitlements. It really is a shame that far too many people don't understand free enterprise and capitalism. It is free enterprise and the private sector which are preventing us from becoming Europe.
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Of course thats the way that you would spin it. I would expect nothing less from you. The reality is that people can compete just fine in a Capitalitistic economy when the rules are fair. When you have administrations that structure our system in a way to ensure that the wealthiest receive all of the advantages...then it really isn't a "capitalistic" system is becomes more of a Caste system.

LOL.....have you ever sat back and recognized that it is really you and the other 21% who have selective memory about your hero GWB? The man drove this country to economic and moral bankruptcy but you are too enamored to recognize what 79% of the country have already recognized.
 
Conservative said:
Really? Thank you so much for your opinion. I don't recall Watergate being an event about the deaths of any Americans.
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I don't either, though I seem to recall a certain President resigning over that one.

Probably because he'd actually done something objectionable, unlike Obama.

Seems a double standard to me
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It might, seeing as you've set out to be a know-nothing conservative.

but then again I am nothing more than a true "regressive" who happens to believe in a limited Central Govt. just like our Founders
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...So a know-nothing conservative.
 
Conservative said:
I don't disagree because Obama lacks the leadership skills of the office and always tries to delegate responsibility therefore expecting to get no blame. Leaders can never delegate responsibility.
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Hey Conservative....let's check your honesty on this one: Who was responsible for 911? Who's watch did it occur on? Did your clown ever accept even an ounce of responsibility?

Oh....this is going to be good!!!
 
disneydude said:
I think you are wrong. The overwhelming majority of Americans see Benghazi as the political game that the Republicans are playing. The IRS situation is typical politics, the same thing was done during the Bush administration with the IRS targeting liberal groups. The AP situation is the only one that has any real meat to it.
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Your opinion noted but you need to get out more. Obama has that typical liberal leadership skill where the buck never gets to him and he always delegates responsibility. Obama was AWOL on Benghazi happened doing a fund raiser in Las Vegas, he has been absent on any major issue facing this country including the economy and yet people like you will always make excuses for him.
 
Conservative said:
I don't disagree because Obama lacks the leadership skills of the office and always tries to delegate responsibility therefore expecting to get no blame. Leaders can never delegate responsibility.
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Hey Conservative: Lets see if you really believe this.

Did your hero ever take responsibility for manipulating American fears to start a war against a country that didn't attack us? Did Bush ever take responsibility for the American lives that were lost and never finding one WMD? Did GWB ever take responsibility for our economy tanking under him? Can you name one time that your hero took responsibility for anything?

If not....your feigned outrage is clearly displaying your hypocrisy yet again.
 
trfjr said:
so we should give him a pass because he is black
Should Nixon not been forced out if office if he was black?

Not acting because of the color of some ones skin is just as racist as it would be for acting only because of the color of some ones skin
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Sure. Not because I believe it's right. It's wrong, but I'm not willing to accept the consequences that will be laid at our feet. Besides, I'd rather have a seriously damaged president remain in office as a reminder of what can go wrong when such arbitrary measures are applied than suffer the consequences of removing him. I can assure you that charges of racism are but a moment away, and the optics of that will be fully fleshed out for the believers. I'd rather they be completely destroyed.
 
disneydude said:
Hey Conservative....let's check your honesty on this one: Who was responsible for 911? Who's watch did it occur on? Did your clown ever accept even an ounce of responsibility?

Oh....this is going to be good!!!
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Whose Watch? Bush's. So exactly what action would you have supported to prevent 9/11? Whose responsibility? Radical Islam. Let me remind you of the 9/11 Commission report and the following:

PDB 12/4/1998, Subject: Bin Ladin Preparing to Hijack US Aircraft and Other Attacks The 9/11 Commission Report | 7/22/04 | CIA

The following is the text of an item from the Presidential Daily Brief received by President William J. Clinton on December 4, 1998. Redacted material is indicated in brackets.
SUBJECT: Bin Ladin Preparing to Hijack US Aircraft and Other Attacks
1. Reporting suggests Bin Ladin and his allies are preparing for attacks in the US, including an aircraft hijacking to obtain the release of Shaykh ‘Umar ‘Abd al-Rahman, Ramzi Yousef, and Muhammad Sadiq ‘Awda. One source quoted a senior member of the Gama’at al-Islamiyya (IG) saying that, as of late October, the IG had completed planning for an operation in the US on behalf of Bin Ladin, but that the operation was on hold. A senior Bin Ladin operative from Saudi Arabia was to visit IG counterparts in the US soon thereafter to discuss options—perhaps including an aircraft hijacking. • IG leader Islambuli in late September was planning to hijack a US airliner during the “next couple of weeks” to free ‘Abd al- Rahman and the other prisoners, according to what may be a different source.
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Now let me ask you why do you always have to divert to Bush when the topic is Obama and his failures? Are the Bush standards really what you want to judge Obama by?
 
ARealConservative said:
the water cooler talk in my office (by Obama supporters) is how fooled they were by him.
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Don't care about the opinions of your imagined liberal co-workers.

*snip*
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Sorry, you've got it wrong.

The only people who even care about these "scandals" are the same undereducated, easily duped republicans and libertarians that have been against Obama since day one.
 
babilfish said:
Don't care about the opinions of your imagined liberal co-workers.



Sorry, you've got it wrong.

The only people who even care about these "scandals" are the same undereducated, easily duped republicans and libertarians that have been against Obama since day one.
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You are so right, the only time corruption, lies, distortions, and issues are when liberals want to make them an issue by distorting reality. You were scammed by the Obama Administration and the right thing to do is show maturity and admit it.
 
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