RON FOURNIER: I'm really not as interested in what the president knew two weeks ago. I'm more interested in whether or not the president or anybody working on his behalf in the White House or at the campaign had knowledge of or directed the targeting during the campaign, months ago. I'm not going to assume and we shouldn't assume that the answer's yes, but we sure as hell shouldn't assume that the answer is no. We should be focusing on that, and, as you say Joe, the other thing is the credibility.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: At the end of the day, Ron, the question is -- I want to pass this around the table -- isn't the question, whose idea was this? Where did the idea come from? Show us that email. Show us the day the policy was proposed and who proposed it. Isn't that the important key and who signed off on it?
FOURNIER: That's definitely important. It goes to their credibility, but I think the most important thing is who was it that was behind the pernicious targeting of conservatives, and was it anybody in the White House or the campaign? And it's possible the answer's yes. We need to find out.