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    Re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    Thanks for that Fenton. However, it should be noted that our grid is not fully shielded. Yes we know it should be, but it's not, at least not yet. We have had problems with X type solar events when they are aimed at Earth and will continue to have these problem until we address the grid as a whole. A locally deployed EMP device would be much more powerful than the X type flare event that can give us problems now and could very well overwhelm a weakly shielded (and perhaps vital) portion of our electrical infrastructure.

    Not near the disaster you see in the apocalypse movies, but still bad. However, many of the nations where we had boots on the ground are not even close to shielded, making EMP weapons an effective thing to develop.

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    Re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    about benghazi, 55% of americans believe the white house is engaged in COVERUP

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...esident-obama/

    that's astounding, down the decades one of the very difficult charges to hang on a sitting prez is that particular brand of denial and deception that brought down tricky dick

    60% of I's and 30% of D's agree, the white house "is trying to cover up the facts"

    unless jay carney can come up with something an awful lot better than the utter nonsense he's offered so far, "equal parts equivocation, amnesia and indignation" (according to wapo), those numbers can only grow

    why was the truth ("islamic extremists with ties to al qaeda") removed from the cia advisory while the lie ("spontaneous demonstrations") was left in?

    why was the video introduced only at the 11th hour?

    who edited the talking points, who was present at david rhodes' (brother of cbs new president ben) saturday morning deputies meeting preceding susan-rice-sunday?

    why won't the white house say?

    why does the admin want you to believe it's staffed by idiots?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...ithout-malice/

    when a white house leaks to sharyl attkisson that it's bungling and incompetent, what could it possibly be protecting?

    cuz the more we talk about these things...

    seeya in committee, comrades

    bring a whistleblower

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    Re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Thanks for that Fenton. However, it should be noted that our grid is not fully
    shielded. Yes we know it should be, but it's not, at least not yet. We have had problems with X type solar events when they are aimed at Earth and will continue to have these problem until we address the grid as a whole. A locally deployed EMP device would be much more powerful than the X type flare event that can give us problems now and could very well overwhelm a weakly shielded (and perhaps vital) portion of our electrical infrastructure.

    Not near the disaster you see in the apocalypse movies, but still bad. However, many of the nations where we had boots on the ground are not even close to shielded, making EMP weapons an effective thing to develop.
    Yea I've given EMP weaponry some thought, and it just doesn't seem practical.

    First, any nuclear detonation will give off massive amounts of gamma rays which in turn scatter massive amounts of free electrons into the atmosphere causing oscillating shifts in the Earths natural Electro Magnetic Field thus creating EMP's.

    EMP's strong enough to affect large areas and enough to cripple our infrastructure.

    If a Country were trying to purposely detonate high altitude Nuclear weapons for this purpose over America, then all pretense to all out Nuclear war would be cast aside as our SSBMs " Boomers" rained in our Country's response on their city's.

    A response because a EMP type weapon would be a first strike option to slow down or stop any retalliation.

    Why waste a Nuke by allowing all of it's power to be absorbed by the atmosphere in the hopes of targeting our electrical infrastructure when a targeted strike at 500 ft would completely decimate the infrastructure and make reconstruction, at least in that area not feasable for decades ?

    My oldest is in the Navy, and I try to get him to give up the goods on the new tech and stuff I'm not suppposed to know about when he comes home to visit, but he's a good kid and just assures me that whatever they have under some of those decks is interesting.

    Hmmmmm.....maybe I need to waterboard the boy.

    I guess my point is by it's nature, by it's infered reason for deployment, any EMP heading our way would lead really quickly to a escalation that would make its use irrelevent in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What economic legislation did Obama want that he didn't get?
    The "Jobs Bill". A rather broad-based plan which was quite popular with the American people.

    NBC/WSJ poll: Despite defeat, Obama's jobs bill is popular - First Read

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Absolutely, and without any further delay. An EMP weapon, properly placed, would bring the US to it's knees within a very short period of time.
    A nuclear weapon necessary to generate that big of an EMP wouldn't leave much to be disabled by the electromagnetic blast. Which brings us back to MAD.

    Thus, no. Furthermore, most of the military equipment these days is shielded. Heck, lots of the civilian stuff is too these days.

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    Last time we actually tried an EMP it didn't do much damage. And that was on an area with short lines which exacerbate the problem. When you have hundreds of miles of line in the Continental US, it gets kind of stupid.

    It's far more likely we'd get smuggled fissile material into the US and then have bombs built here and driven by panel van to targets.
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    Re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Sticking it to the '47 percent'.

    That's one of the main reasons why we don't have a President Romney.





    "Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
    Yeah, Romney derailed by a dishonest leftist, meanwhile you are content with lies that cover up loss of life, and liberty from a clear liar.

    You just keep that head in the sand, and enjoy the collapse of Europe.
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    Re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    The "Jobs Bill". A rather broad-based plan which was quite popular with the American people.

    NBC/WSJ poll: Despite defeat, Obama's jobs bill is popular - First Read
    Do you even know when that Jobs Bill was defeated and what it actually does? You continue to buy the rhetoric and ignore the substances as usual. Why hasn't Harry Reid submitted House Passed bills to the full Senate for Debate? You seem to lack basic research capabilities and only buy what you are told.

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    Re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you even know when that Jobs Bill was defeated and what it actually does? You continue to buy the rhetoric and ignore the substances as usual. Why hasn't Harry Reid submitted House Passed bills to the full Senate for Debate? You seem to lack basic research capabilities and only buy what you are told.
    Point is that popularity of GOP in Congress is way lower than Obama, who still has a pretty high approval rating. So, in short, the RW whine isn't catching on with anyone outside the bubble--noted by Fox News being the outlier.
    Obama: Job Ratings

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    Re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    A nuclear weapon necessary to generate that big of an EMP wouldn't leave much to be disabled by the electromagnetic blast. Which brings us back to MAD.

    Thus, no. Furthermore, most of the military equipment these days is shielded. Heck, lots of the civilian stuff is too these days.

    The Next Fake Threat | Alternet

    Last time we actually tried an EMP it didn't do much damage. And that was on an area with short lines which exacerbate the problem. When you have hundreds of miles of line in the Continental US, it gets kind of stupid.

    It's far more likely we'd get smuggled fissile material into the US and then have bombs built here and driven by panel van to targets.

    Well, I guess in 2005 the information available to the public regarding EMP's didn't show much of a threat. Wonder if that holds true 8 years later.

    I do think your scenario is more likely - a dirty weapon of some sort. Lots of available material around.

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    Re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Point is that popularity of GOP in Congress is way lower than Obama, who still has a pretty high approval rating. So, in short, the RW whine isn't catching on with anyone outside the bubble--noted by Fox News being the outlier.
    Obama: Job Ratings
    Does it matter what a national poll number for Congress shows when Congressional elections are local so what matters are local polls on Congressional races. As for Obama what matters are the internals of the poll so for example the CNN poll surveyed 43% Democrats, 34% Republicans, and 23% independents. What would you expect the Obama poll numbers to show, higher or lower?

    Your love and support for Obama is quite interesting and the question is why? What economic policy has he implemented that makes things better for you and your family? Does it bother you that the 4th largest budget item is interest on the debt? How does that help you and your family?

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