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    Re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    How much governing experience did John McCain have?
    someone is awfully eager to argue

    LOL!

    knock yourself out

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    Re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

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    someone is awfully eager to argue

    LOL!

    knock yourself out
    Why don't you quote me, so I know your reacting to one of my posts?

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    Re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

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    Interesting how Obama supporters believe that the Bush Presidential term was January 1, 2008 to January 21, 2009 and ignore the previous 7 years. When you take the 8 year average of Bush vs. the 4 plus year average of Obama, the comparison isn't flattering to Obama but then when do results matter to his supporters. I am still waiting exactly what Obama did to bring us out of recession in June 2009 since his economic policy wasn't even enacted then since the shovels for those shovel ready jobs were lost in shipment?
    What do you want to compare?how about you take a look at the jobless numbers for the first four years of both?

    If you interject 842 billion dollars into the economy don't you think that we should get better job growth and better economic growth four years later?
    Shouda injected much more,maybe double what was injected. unemployment woulda been approaching 6% about now.

    What economic policies of Obama generated the stock market gains you want to give him credit for?
    Here,s two for a start.General Motors and Chrysler.

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    Re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    did anyone read sharyl attkisson's latest bombshell?

    the admin's newest defense: we're the idiots

    "We're portrayed by Republicans as either being lying or idiots," said one Obama administration official who was part of the Benghazi response. "It's actually closer to us being idiots."
    Officials on Benghazi: "We made mistakes, but without malice" - CBS News

    the white house which released a select 100 pages of email chain to absolve hillary's state dept...

    the white house which next sent jake tapper a single email from ben rhodes which was sposed to make issa look like an nbc producer editing a trayvon martin phone call...

    only to see both rather pathetic efforts blow up in their faces (links above)...

    now the admin has hustled out a team of "officials who were in key positions on september 11" who, speaking on "condition of anonymity so that they could be more frank in their assessments," have put forward this very reassuring explanation for all the confusion about the talking points and the requests for security ignored and the failure to send help that nite and...

    it's all attributable to "incompetence..."

    "rather than malice or coverup"

    well, thank goodness for that

    it was such a long time ago, however, what difference does it really make

    The [newest] list of mea culpas by Obama administration officials involved in the Benghazi response and aftermath include: standing down the counterterrorism Foreign Emergency Support Team, failing to convene the Counterterrorism Security Group, failing to release the disputed Benghazi "talking points" when Congress asked for them, and using the word "spontaneous" while avoiding the word "terrorism."
    fest, the foreign emergency support team:

    The Foreign Emergency Support Team known as FEST is described as "the US Government's only interagency, on-call, short-notice team poised to respond to terrorist incidents worldwide."

    Yet deployment of the counterterrorism experts on the FEST was ruled out from the start. That decision became a source of great internal dissent and the cause of puzzlement to some outsiders.

    Thursday, an administration official who was part of the Benghazi response told CBS News: "I wish we'd sent it."

    The official said Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's deputy, Patrick Kennedy, quickly dispensed with the idea.

    However, the FEST's own mission statement describes a seasoned team of counterterrorism professionals who can respond "quickly and effectively to terrorist attacks... providing the fastest assistance possible" including "hostage negotiating expertise" and "time-sensitive information and intelligence."

    In fact, FEST leader Mark Thompson says Benghazi was precisely the sort of crisis to which his team is trained to respond.

    While it was the State Department that's said to have taken FEST off the table, the team is directed by the White House National Security Council.

    As soon as word of the Benghazi attack reached Washington, FEST members "instinctively started packing," said an official involved in the response. "They were told they were not deploying by Patrick Kennedy's front office... In hindsight... I probably would've pushed the button."

    Said one source, "I don't see a downside to sending FEST... if for no other reason than so no one could ask why we didn't."
    throwing patrick kennedy under the bus is barreling down hard on hrc herself

    the csg, counterterrorism security group, which was never convened:

    Under presidential directive, an interagency task force called the Counterterrorism Security Group (CSG) is to be convened when emergency terrorist events are suspected. According to a public military document, it's part of a plan to "synchronize the efforts of all the government agencies that have a role to play in the Global War on Terrorism." But on Sept. 11, 2012, the Obama administration did not convene this body of terrorism expert advisers.

    Last October, National Security Council (NSC) SpokesmanTommy Vietor told CBS News that the CSG wasn't needed because consultations were quickly underway at the highest levels. "From the moment [President Obama] was briefed on the Benghazi attack, the response effort was handled by the most senior national security officials in government.

    However, absent the CSG's collective advice, there's evidence that some high-level decision makers were unaware of all available resources. In October, on a phone call that included then-Deputy National Security Adviser Denis McDonough (now White House Chief of Staff), Vietor initially told CBS News: "I don't know what [FEST] is... it sounds antiquated."
    in-extremis force in croatia:

    In an unfortunate turn of events, on Sept. 11, a special U.S. military force based in Europe, designed specifically for quick reaction to unforeseen emergencies, was off on a training mission in Croatia. By the time the so-called Commander's In-extremis Force was diverted to an airfield at Sigonella, Italy, an hour's flight from Benghazi, the attacks were over.

    "They didn't get there in time to have an impact, which is unfortunate," said a Defense Department source who was involved in the Benghazi response.

    Another administration source says, with the benefit of hindsight, everyone wishes US Africa Command (AFRICOM), the combatant command responsible for Libya on Sept. 11, had its own In-extremis Force.
    the dream team:

    A former Obama administration official says they were so confident in, and pleased with, the team of experts they pulled together to brief Congress on Benghazi, they were nicknamed the "Dream Team." The "Dream Team" consisted of: Maj. Gen. Darryl Roberson, Vice Director of Operations, Joint Staff; Matt Olson, Director of the National Counterterrorism Center; Andy McCabe, Assistant Director of Counterterrorism for the FBI; and Linda Weissgold from CIA.

    But some Obama administration sources now concede that, outside the "Dream Team," their post-attack communications and spin were riddled with missteps. Yet they insist that was the result of incompetence or confusion, and that no conspiracy was in play.
    the talking points:

    "We thought, 'why are you guys throwing us under the bus?' ...They [CIA] made it seem like the State Department was given a warning they ignored.

    As the various agencies worked to edit and approve the talking points on Sept. 14, Mr. Obama's Deputy National Security Advisor Ben Rhodes emailed that there would be a Deputies meeting the next morning to work out the issues. "That's polite code for let's not debate this on e-mail for 18 hours," said one official involved. (Ben Rhodes is the brother of CBS News President David Rhodes.)

    Even today, nobody will say on the record, or even off the record to CBS News, who was at the Deputies meeting on the morning of Sept. 15, where the talking points were drastically pared down for Rice's use. The approved version called the attacks "demonstrations" that "evolved" after being "spontaneously inspired" by protest at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo. All mentions of terrorism, al Qaeda and previous warnings given by the CIA had been excised.

    The Obama administration has resisted Congress' demands to turn over FBI transcripts of the survivor interviews.
    the turning point:

    On Sept. 20, a team of Obama administration officials with fresh information agreed to brief the House and Senate in closed sessions. There, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper revealed that Benghazi "had all the earmarks of a premeditated attack."

    From the view of one Obama administration official who was present, "Something just snapped. [Senators] started yelling and screaming 'Why did Susan [Rice] lie?'"

    "It was a turning point," said the Obama administration official. "It was just a stark shift from Sunday with no groundwork laid. [Senators] just snapped... Susan was done."
    shoulda released the emails:

    In an effort to sort out who-knew-what-when, Congress asked for the talking point drafts and e-mails last November, but the Obama administration withheld them on grounds of national security and the idea that they're deliberative materials not subject to public release. Congress continued to press and Republican senators even held up administration nominations. Finally, the administration allowed limited reviews of some of the materials but did not let members of Congress, or their staff, take documents from the room or make copies.

    An Obama administration source familiar with the process now says the talking points should have been handed over much sooner. "We should have released them six months ago," said the source, adding that the various federal agencies had agreed to do so but the White House counsel's office was against it.
    none dare call it terror, the 60 minutes interview, september 23, which david rhodes sat on for 2 months:

    KROFT: Mr. President, this morning you went out of your way to avoid the use of the word "terrorism" in connection with the Libya attack.

    OBAMA: Right.

    KROFT: Do you believe that this was a terrorist attack?

    OBAMA: Well, it's too early to know exactly how this came about, what group was involved, but obviously it was an attack on Americans.

    Several Obama administration officials said not using the word "terrorism" early on was not part of a conspiracy, but an "abundance of caution."
    wow, that's as vibrant a 3D portrait as any diego rivera mural

    the perfect picture of stupidity AND coverup

    limpwrist lindsey graham: "incompetence and malice are not mutually exclusive"

    chafing jason chaffetz: "if not for congress, they would still lead us to believe it was a video gone awry"

    cuz if you're willing to concede like a clarion you're a klutz...

    what could you possibly be protecting?

    no wonder ms attkisson's days with tiffany are numbered
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    Re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    Donc;1061824608]What do you want to compare?how about you take a look at the jobless numbers for the first four years of both?
    Been there done that, you aren't very good with numbers

    Shouda injected much more,maybe double what was injected. unemployment woulda been approaching 6% about now.
    Better tell that to Christina Romer who disagreed with you. Obama got what he wanted. The problem is, after the stimulus was spent there was no incentive for the private sector to hire but then liberals don't understand incentive.


    Here,s two for a start.General Motors and Chrysler.
    Really? The taxpayers are owed over 25 billion dollars and there are still 3 million fewer workers today than when the recession began but you see that doesn't matter. Adding over 6 trillion to the debt to get back to the same employment level he inherited. That to an Obama supporter is a victory.

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    Re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

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    Better tell that to Christina Romer who disagreed with you.
    "Most obviously, it was too small. When we were designing it, most forecasters estimated that the United States would lose around six million jobs during the recession without fiscal stimulus. Compared with this baseline, creating three million jobs would have filled roughly half of the employment hole.

    As it turned out, even with the stimulus, we lost almost nine million jobs. Indeed, because of horrific job losses in late 2008 and early 2009, wed nearly passed the six-million mark before the Recovery Act was even signed. Adding in the estimated effect of the act, the correct no-stimulus baseline was a total employment fall of nearly 12 million. With a loss that big, creating three million jobs was helpful, but not nearly enough.
    "
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/bu...done-more.html
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    Was there a point to posting that the admin knew the GOP would not let ANY new jobs/stimulus package pass?

    Other than showing the Goebbels effect, what did you do?
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Was there a point to posting that the admin knew the GOP would not let ANY new jobs/stimulus package pass?

    Other than showing the Goebbels effect, what did you do?
    You do realize that the stimulus program passed without Republican support and was what Obama requested. Why is it that people like you always believe that not enough money is ever being spent? Do you understand the private sector at all?

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    Was there a point
    well, if a poor put out president can't even say it, if the word is suddenly obscene...

    LOL!

    Obama: "No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Projects" - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

    keynes is kaput

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