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    re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Again, I will point out Bush isn't in office and has nothing to do with the scandals and the economic performance of this Administration. The question is if you were so outraged by Bush why are you giving Obama a pass for what may be perceived as the same activities?
    LOL....you are missing the point. Why are you dodging and so afraid to talk about your hypocrisy? Is it because your "feigned outrage" is being exposed?

    As for your questions: I am as outraged at the Obama administration surveilling citizens and the AP just as I was with the Bush administration.
    I am as outraged that Obama has not closed Gitmo and is continuing in the same vein as Bush in that arena.

    I am not as outraged at Obama as I am at Bush for his handling of Iraq/Afghanistan. Obama didn't manipulate the public fear and start a war with a country that didn't attack us. Obama finished the job that your hero couldn't.

    The better question is: Why do you continue to give GWB a pass while you feign outrage at Obama?
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    re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You mean like the PDB in December 1998 given to Clinton. What did he do to prevent 9/11 and to make our airports safer? You actually think Bush had the power to make changes 8 months into office coming off the closest election in history? You think the left would have sat back willingly as Bush shutdown the airports with no credible threat? Why didn't Clinton implement policies that Bush did after 9/11?
    Yes, Bush had almost a year to act and chose to do nothing. I don't blame Bush though, he was in over his head and he knew it. Bush's biggest failure was surrounding himself with the neocons who ran his administration. He was really just a puppethead.
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    re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    disneydude;1061811295]LOL....you are missing the point. Why are you dodging and so afraid to talk about your hypocrisy? Is it because your "feigned outrage" is being exposed?
    Sorry but you have yet to make a point, you bought the rhetoric and ignored the facts from the 9/11 commission as well as all the Democrats signing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998. Amazing how much power Bush had at the national level from his office as Governor of TX

    As for your questions: I am as outraged at the Obama administration surveilling citizens and the AP just as I was with the Bush administration.
    I am as outraged that Obama has not closed Gitmo and is continuing in the same vein as Bush in that arena.

    I am not as outraged at Obama as I am at Bush for his handling of Iraq/Afghanistan. Obama didn't manipulate the public fear and start a war with a country that didn't attack us. Obama finished the job that your hero couldn't.
    Again, more misinformation as usual, the Status of Forces agreement of 2008 ended the Iraq War which Bush won and Obama has lost the peace. Living in California I am not at all surprised that you don't get basic information there just like all those Democrat quotes posted have been ignored by you. If Bush lied like you said he should have been impeached but wasn't, any idea why? Maybe if you read the Democrat quotes you would understand. Democrats wanted the issue and people like you buying the issue and not the facts. Impeachment charges would have put the Democrat quotes on the record and they didn't want that.

    The better question is: Why do you continue to give GWB a pass while you feign outrage at Obama?
    Because it serves no purpose now to blame Bush for what Obama is doing. I didn't vote for Bush in 2008
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    re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Yes, Bush had almost a year to act and chose to do nothing. I don't blame Bush though, he was in over his head and he knew it. Bush's biggest failure was surrounding himself with the neocons who ran his administration. He was really just a puppethead.
    I asked you a question about what you would have supported and didn't get an answer. Bush took office on January 21, 2001 and 9/11 happened how many months later. Need help with math? I suggest that you stop buying the liberal talking points and answer direct questions as well as read the 9/11 report. Like all liberals you prefer believing what you are told vs. doing any research.

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    re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Now let's not confuse an Obama supporter with the "rest of the story" in addition to the fact that NO Americans were killed nor did any claim that they weren't provided the security requested. In addition the Bush Administration didn't blame any of the attacks on any anti Islam video nor was Bush on any fund raising trips so as to not be interrupted by something so insignificant as these kind of attacks.
    Lets not forget that President G.W. Bush didn't spend eight years blaming President Clinton's failed anti terrorist policies.

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    re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Lets not forget that President G.W. Bush didn't spend eight years blaming President Clinton's failed anti terrorist policies.
    Too many Obama supporters have too much invested in their hate Bush rhetoric that they ignore actual facts. They prefer having the issue vs. having the facts and promote their agenda over and over again which is nothing more than BDS(Bush Derangement Syndrome) on display.

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    re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL.... Obama didn't manipulate the public fear and start a war with a country that didn't attack us. Obama finished the job that your hero couldn't.
    What about Obama spitting on the Constitution when he ignored the Wars Power Act and waged a war against Libya ?

    What job did Obama "finished" that Bush didn't ?

    The withdraw agreement of American troops departing Iraq was signed when Bush was POTUS.

    As for Afghanistan, Obama NOT ONCE ! ever mentioned the words "win" or "victory." Probably because he has no intentions of winning in Afghanistan. Obama has already announced to our enemies that our troops will not be allowed to accomplish their mission and will be pulled out starting in 2014. To not to offend our enemies in Afghanistan, Obama signed off on politically correct Rules of Engagement (ROE) that favor the enemy and has resulted in more American troops to bleed and die on the battlefield in the name of liberal political correctness.

    You are aware that more American troops have been killed in Afghanistan in less than four years of Obama first term as POTUS than all of the American troops who were killed in Afghanistan during the 7 years and 3 months during the Bush administration. Do you know why ? Bush's ROE for our troops was to kill the enemy before he kills you. Obama's ROE don't shoot your rifle at the enemy until he shoots at you.

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    re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not to excuse the White House, but let's be clear - we're not talking about wiretaps at all - we're talking about the Justice Department seeking a court order subpeona for access to the telephone records of AP - there is a difference, even if neither appears to be kosher.


    Two years' worth including the personal cell phones?

    Same kind of thing. It's really an abuse of power no matter how you slice it, but yes, wire taps is probably not accurate.
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    re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No they didn't. That was part of the whole issue. Bush fought against even getting warrants AFTER the fact. So before you start spouting off...at least know what you are talking about. Geesh.....

    If I remember correctly, this was done under the auspices of the Patriot Act and was also done only when one of the conversation participants was outside our borders. Is that what you are talking about?
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    re: White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Two years' worth including the personal cell phones?

    Same kind of thing. It's really an abuse of power no matter how you slice it, but yes, wire taps is probably not accurate.
    Who started the so-called "personal cell phone"(also known as the lifeline program) policy?

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