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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Yeah right, maybe you can try and dig up some proof of your false claims.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061813764

    You can apologize at your leisure.

    The fact that any of you think you can even remotely win an argument against a CPA who's done work in this field is delusional.

    You will lose.
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    No one cares what you think. Ever. You resort to calling people liars when they point out your own posts refute you. Even when they quote the very articles you post.
    Yet here you are replying, dodging and making stuff up

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Yet here you are replying, dodging and making stuff up
    The irony on this post is beyond the capacity of man to measure.
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    funny he went and fired the guy

    Obama fires IRS acting chief over 'inexcusable' tax targeting scandal | World news | guardian.co.uk

    LOL!

    what an idiot

    obama, i mean

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    The irony on this post is beyond the capacity of man to measure.
    You're still whining about being called out for your dishonesty in the past? Absolutely hilarious. Talk about insecurity. Apparently I live in your head rent free

    You laughably link articles from a biased source whimpering about "witchunts", while at the same time defending an out of control Government that is specifically targeting people politically for harassment and intimidation. What if under Obamacare you qualify for a life saving surgery, but the IRS who polices Obamacare says, "Have you donated to an organization like the Tea Party?" That's what happens when a corrupt and out of control administration politicizes an institution like the IRS. You have to remember the IRS didn't just target the Tea Party here. They also target Jewish groups and other religious institutions.

    But hey go ahead and try and balance on your house of cards telling people nobody takes them seriously. Pot calling the kettle black. How embarrassing

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    You're still whining about being called out for your dishonesty in the past? Absolutely hilarious. Talk about insecurity. Apparently I live in your head rent free

    You laughably link articles from a biased source whimpering about "witchunts", while at the same time defending an out of control Government that is specifically targeting people politically for harassment and intimidation. What if under Obamacare you qualify for a life saving surgery, but the IRS who polices Obamacare says, "Have you donated to an organization like the Tea Party?" That's what happens when a corrupt and out of control administration politicizes an institution like the IRS. You have to remember the IRS didn't just target the Tea Party here. They also target Jewish groups and other religious institutions.

    But hey go ahead and try and balance on your house of cards telling people nobody takes them seriously. Pot calling the kettle black. How embarrassing
    The funny thing about this post is that my previous posts refute it. You didn't even bother to see what I wrote but instead posted arguments that were pre-refuted!

    Nice fail there.
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    The funny thing about this post is that my previous posts refute it. You didn't even bother to see what I wrote but instead posted arguments that were pre-refuted!

    Nice fail there.
    You've refuted nothing. You never refute anything. You just spew nonsensical gibberish and make claims. It's beyond refute these groups were targeted. It's beyond refute they were harassed. It's beyond refute the IRS was used as a tool to intimidate the political opposition of the Democrats.

    Do you think this scandal stops with the Obama Administration? Democrats have been pushing for political audits for years.

    Senate Democrats Pushed for IRS Tea Party Snooping Before Criticizing It - Brian Walsh (usnews.com)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/us...ics/07irs.html

    With growing scrutiny of the role of tax-exempt groups in political campaigns, Congressional Republicans are pushing back against Democrats by warning about the possible misuse of the Internal Revenue Service to audit conservative groups….And the Republicans are also upset about an I.R.S. review requested by Senator Max Baucus, the Montana Democrat who leads the Finance Committee, into the political activities of tax-exempt groups. Such a review threatens to "chill the legitimate exercise of First Amendment rights," wrote two Republican senators, Orrin G. Hatch of Utah and Jon Kyl of Arizona, in a letter sent to the I.R.S. on Wednesday. ... Democrats dismissed the Republicans' complaints as groundless.
    Liberal groups were approved without issue while Tea Party Groups were blocked and left hanging in limbo for months and months.

    IRS approved liberal groups while Tea Party in limbo

    Documents: IRS letters harassing conservative groups came from Washington, DC headquarters and from California offices, despite Inspector General's focus on Cincinnati employees | Mail Online

    Conservative group says IRS approved nonprofit status after applying with

    When September 2012 arrived with still no word from the IRS, Ryun determined that Media Trackers would likely never obtain standalone non-profit status, and he tried a new approach: Starting over. He applied for permanent non-profit status for a separate group called Greenhouse Solutions, a pre-existing organization that was reaching the end of its determination period.

    The IRS approved Greenhouse Solutions’ request for non-profit status in three weeks.

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    You've refuted nothing. You never refute anything. You just spew nonsensical gibberish and make claims. It's beyond refute these groups were targeted. It's beyond refute they were harassed. It's beyond refute the IRS was used as a tool to intimidate the political opposition of the Democrats.
    Yawn.

    More noise from Bronson.

    I see you are still ignoring that 2/3rd of the audits weren't on TP groups.
    I see you are still ignoring that the only group that got its exemption denied was a Democrat PAC.
    I see you are still ignoring that the bulk of new applications for 501(c)4 were from Republican oriented groups.
    I see you are still ignoring how the 501(c)4 code has been abused up the ***.

    Funny, all of that was in my previous posts. Which you will not address. Because you can't.

    I never argued that the Democrats didn't target them. What I pointed out was in actuality it doesn't come close to what you and your friends are alleging. And not a single person on your side has even touched upon the actual code abuse. You are treating this as a witch hunt and COMPLETELY IGNORING the reason the audits actually happened.

    Even MORE appalling is that you seem to have no problem with similar audits done purely for political spite. You will not get into the actual code and abuse because you lack the knowledge and you stand absolutely no hope of ever winning there.

    The whole "scandal" boils down to the abuse of 501(c)4s. You will not address this.
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    It appears there are more.....plus they also fast tracked Obama's Half Brother's Group.

    Reports: IRS Spared Liberal Groups as Tea Party Languished, More Conservative Orgs Targeted Than First Thought.....

    "Low Level" - Officials within the highest echelons of the agency were aware of the inappropriate targeting, including the last two commissioners -- at least one of whom appears to have misled Congress on this very question. Now Politico reports that Lerner herself sent at least one of the probing letters to an Ohio-based conservative group.

    a process that would stretch for nearly three years and involve queries for detailed information on its social media activity, its organizational set-up, bylaws, membership and interactions with political officials. The letter threatened to close American PAGE’s case file unless additional information was received within 60 days.

    These burdensome requests were apparently designed to bury the victimized groups in paperwork. Carol reported last night that some 58 percent of these applicants were asked for unnecessary information and data, according to the Inspector General's review. Some inquiries asked for screenshots of organizations' Facebook posts and even lists of what books (!) its members were reading.

    In February 2010, the Champaign Tea Party in Illinois received approval of its tax-exempt status from the IRS in 90 days, no questions asked. That was the month before the Internal Revenue Service started singling out Tea Party groups for special treatment. There wouldn't be another Tea Party application approved for 27 months. In that time, the IRS approved perhaps dozens of applications from similar liberal and progressive groups, a USA TODAY review of IRS data shows. As applications from conservative groups sat in limbo, groups with liberal-sounding names had their applications approved in as little as nine months. With names including words like "Progress" or "Progressive," the liberal groups applied for the same tax status and were engaged in the same kinds of activities as the conservative groups.

    Lerner also reportedly fast-tracked an approval for a foundation operated by President Obama's half brother, taking the extraordinary step of granting it retroactive tax-free status.

    "Seventy-five organizations effected" - That number almost immediately swelled to 300. Now it's closer to 500:

    We have an answer to that question now, too. Here's Carol again, quoting the cover letter from the IG's findings, dated yesterday: "A substantial number of applications have been under review, some for more than three years and through two election cycles, and remain open." Lest you even ask, nobody involved in this scheme has been disciplined (yet); just the opposite, in fact:

    "Conservative groups seeking information from the Environmental Protection Agency have been routinely hindered by fees normally waived for media and watchdog groups, while fees for more than 90 percent of requests from green groups were waived, according to requests reviewed by the Competitive Enterprise Institute." This steady drumbeat of ugliness was enough to prompt NBC's Nightly News to kick off its broadcast with a Nixon comparison last evening, and for Jonathan Alter to pronounce the administration's crisis management efforts "disastrous:"

    Parting quotation: "What we are witnessing is nothing less than a dramatic reversal of the nation’s political narrative.".....snip~

    Reports: IRS Spared Liberal Groups as Tea Party Languished, More Conservative Orgs Targeted Than First Thought - Guy Benson
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Um.....political organizations have to disclose their donors because historically anonymous campaign donations have led to widespread political corruption.

    Saying that a tea party group is primarily engaged in social welfare is intellectually dishonest. Sure, if you want to hire a great lawyer, and bend/break the rules you can certainly get approved. But these groups have more in common with moveon.org (a 527) than with the AARP, (an actual 501(c)(4).
    Stop being obtuse. The IRS would have to deny them as a non profit before they could ask for donors AND if they declare them as a non profit they have no right to materials like facebok pages, rally attendance, membership lists but they would have a right to donor lists. But FIRST the IRS would have to declare them as a political organization, which they did not do.

    Catch 22 really. The IRS tried to abuse both sides of the system.

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