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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

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    IRS Office That Targeted Tea Party Also Disclosed Confidential Docs From Conservative Groups

    IRS Office That Targeted Tea Party Also Disclosed Confidential Docs From Conservative Groups - ProPublica





    So...the IRS sent documents on unapproved files breaching privacy rights for some groups as well. Im sorry doesnt cut it. Start canning the people---either they are incompetent and shuldnt be trusted with private information or they did it maliciously and shouldnt be trusted with private information. Either way---they should be gone.
    And prosecuted. This is illegal, and to make matters worse, they knew it was. They thought they would get away with this, and in some respects at least, they did.

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Did you somehow get the idea that I was defending the IRS' actions? I've called them inexcusable, unethical, probably illegal, predicted that someone high up in the IRS would probably be fired... do I need to burn an effigy or something before you're satisfied there, chief? Call for a good ol' fashioned hanging maybe? I know, let's waterboard... everyone. All the IRS agents.
    There is a punchline for that.

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    A good start.

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Did you somehow get the idea that I was defending the IRS' actions? I've called them inexcusable, unethical, probably illegal, predicted that someone high up in the IRS would probably be fired... do I need to burn an effigy or something before you're satisfied there, chief? Call for a good ol' fashioned hanging maybe? I know, let's waterboard... everyone. All the IRS agents.
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I wouldn't say that's just a left wing thing. Republicans have done plenty to make government agencies with sweeping powers -- does the Department of Homeland Security ring a bell? Not only was that a brand new cabinet post, it also nationalized an industry.

    I'm really disturbed by these allegations. The problem that I see is this -- you sweep away Obama and replace him with what? The Republican party is as much a part of this as the Democratic party is, so swapping out donkeys for elephants does NOTHING to change the dynamic. There was a sea change movement coming, but the TP and OWS never realized that they were protesting the same thing, and the two parties have each used the other to further divide Americans and conquer
    Furthermore, the GOP did this themselves. In the Bush years, liberal non-profits were targeted specifically. What is actually worse about that is Citizens' United didn't happen, so they weren't functioning as PACs. So there really wasn't a reasonable reason to target them specifically. Tax experts for years have been complaining that the 501(c)4 has been abused up the yin yang. I personally think that the IRS didn't go far enough. We either have to get Congress to rewrite the 501(c)4 or we come to peace with letting the IRS go ape **** on potential PAC abusers.
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Furthermore, the GOP did this themselves. In the Bush years, liberal non-profits were targeted specifically. What is actually worse about that is Citizens' United didn't happen, so they weren't functioning as PACs. So there really wasn't a reasonable reason to target them specifically. Tax experts for years have been complaining that the 501(c)4 has been abused up the yin yang. I personally think that the IRS didn't go far enough. We either have to get Congress to rewrite the 501(c)4 or we come to peace with letting the IRS go ape **** on potential PAC abusers.
    So long as they treat everyone equally. Which isnt what happened here. Targeting a specific ideology is not equality under the law.

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Furthermore, the GOP did this themselves. In the Bush years, liberal non-profits were targeted specifically. What is actually worse about that is Citizens' United didn't happen, so they weren't functioning as PACs. So there really wasn't a reasonable reason to target them specifically. Tax experts for years have been complaining that the 501(c)4 has been abused up the yin yang. I personally think that the IRS didn't go far enough. We either have to get Congress to rewrite the 501(c)4 or we come to peace with letting the IRS go ape **** on potential PAC abusers.
    I think you need to cite some proof of that in some way. I imagine it would be covered a lot more exhaustively by the press if it had happened under a republican.

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    I think you need to cite some proof of that in some way. I imagine it would be covered a lot more exhaustively by the press if it had happened under a republican.
    Theres a few articles out there about IRS targeting specific orgs like NAACP, churches when they made political remarks, etc. To the extent that it was ideologically motivated, its wrong. But Bush isnt President.

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Furthermore, the GOP did this themselves. In the Bush years, liberal non-profits were targeted specifically. What is actually worse about that is Citizens' United didn't happen, so they weren't functioning as PACs. So there really wasn't a reasonable reason to target them specifically. Tax experts for years have been complaining that the 501(c)4 has been abused up the yin yang. I personally think that the IRS didn't go far enough. We either have to get Congress to rewrite the 501(c)4 or we come to peace with letting the IRS go ape **** on potential PAC abusers.
    Yeah right, maybe you can try and dig up some proof of your false claims.
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Furthermore, the GOP did this themselves. In the Bush years, liberal non-profits were targeted specifically. What is actually worse about that is Citizens' United didn't happen, so they weren't functioning as PACs. So there really wasn't a reasonable reason to target them specifically. Tax experts for years have been complaining that the 501(c)4 has been abused up the yin yang. I personally think that the IRS didn't go far enough. We either have to get Congress to rewrite the 501(c)4 or we come to peace with letting the IRS go ape **** on potential PAC abusers.
    I don't see this as an either/or anyway, but I surely don't see coming to peace with "letting the IRS go ape **** " on anybody. It can't be partisan.

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You've run interferance on this deal since it first broke.
    Interference? What, I'm involved in the big media coverup?
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