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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    DHS consolidated powers already in place within other agencies. The Patriot Act pushed the envelope. What I'm refering to are new agencies like the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau, or the government take over of student loans. I'm refering to the massive expansion of the IRS through Obamacare. I'm refering to dramatic expansion of EPA's reach, with their Environmentl Justice offensive looming just around the corner. This list goes on and on. Ever heard of the Bureau of Health Information Technology? Look up their budget.

    The stunning revelation in this IRS matter is the apparent partisanship, and the coverup prior to the election last November.
    The IRS was trying to address a problem but they did it in a blatently partisan and frankly stupid way.

    Allow me to play devils advocate.

    The IRS was trying to address the issue of political groups who raise millions of dollars to spend on campaign ads, but use a loophole in the tax system to gain tax exempt status. The number of these groups have skyrocketed since the citizens united ruling and there may be some groups who are given tax exempt status but they should not have recieved it in the first place.

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The IRS was trying to address a problem but they did it in a blatently partisan and frankly stupid way.

    Allow me to play devils advocate.

    The IRS was trying to address the issue of political groups who raise millions of dollars to spend on campaign ads, but use a loophole in the tax system to gain tax exempt status. The number of these groups have skyrocketed since the citizens united ruling and there may be some groups who are given tax exempt status but they should not have recieved it in the first place.
    Billions have been spent by 501c3 and 501c4 liberal groups in the decade prior to Citizens United. I am not aware of similar investigations into their activity. In fact, I am more aware of calls for investigations of their tax exempt status, than I am aware of any that were actually done.

    For example, one of the great complaints behind the ACORN mess was their tax exempt status and their clear partisan electioneering in support of President Obama. In the end, it wasn't investigations into their tax status that sent them underground.

    While it's convenient to point to Citizens United and the influx of applications, the elephant in the room remains the status quo among tax exempt organizations as existed prior to the SCOTUS decision, and the way in which the IRS went about their task, including the silence they maintained prior to the election, once these actions were fully known.

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    A lot of conservatives have long insisted that racial profiling is just fine, and now they're all flipping their **** when they've become the target of profiling. It sure is amusing to watch!
    And a lot of liberals have long insisted broad group profiling is inherently wrong and shouldn't be done, and are now flipping their **** at the audacity of people making noise about the IRS targeting political groups of a particular ideology and not saying more than a passing "ho hum that's bad" about the profiling going on (IF they even give that much).

    Funny how you hypocritically respond to call out hypocrites.

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    This kind of thing is really not okay. This country is founded on political freedom. No political group, not even skinhead neo-Nazis, get treated any differently.

    As to this specific incident, I'm having a hard time sympathizing. The issue is that conservative groups were being put through scrutiny before being able to take advantage of the anonymous political spending allowed to organizations by Citizens United. The sources of their funding and the location of their expenditures were examined. These groups shouldn't be able to do what they want to do and should be disclosing all this information. No one should be able to.

    So yeah, focusing on one political faction over another is not okay. But no faction should be able to anonymously take in and spend on political campaigns.
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    A lot of conservatives have long insisted that racial profiling is just fine, and now they're all flipping their **** when they've become the target of profiling. It sure is amusing to watch!

    And before anyone tries to label me a hypocrite, no, I am definitely not defending these actions by the IRS. My other posts on the subject demonstrate this.
    Conservatives arent being racially profiled to stop them from killing Americans, so not sure how that relates.

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Billions have been spent by 501c3 and 501c4 liberal groups in the decade prior to Citizens United. I am not aware of similar investigations into their activity. In fact, I am more aware of calls for investigations of their tax exempt status, than I am aware of any that were actually done.

    For example, one of the great complaints behind the ACORN mess was their tax exempt status and their clear partisan electioneering in support of President Obama. In the end, it wasn't investigations into their tax status that sent them underground.

    While it's convenient to point to Citizens United and the influx of applications, the elephant in the room remains the status quo among tax exempt organizations as existed prior to the SCOTUS decision, and the way in which the IRS went about their task, including the silence they maintained prior to the election, once these actions were fully known.
    Such groups existed before the citizens united decision, there have been a lot more of them since that decision. Frankly i think The IRS made a stupid decision in seeing a connection of tea party and right wing groups and their tax status. They should focused on the monetary issues, not what political group they supported.

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    Apparently you didn't watch the Republican nomination close enough. With the exception of Ron Paul, those lackeys were willing to shred the constitution in the name of terrorism.
    Ah, misdirection. One of the cornerstones of the left. Oh, they were willing to shred the Constitution at the "nomination". Okay, well, I guess all is excused. IRS, as you were. LOL.

    Got to do better than that.

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    So you are willing to look beyond the "right" and their skirting of the constitution, but wave a big flag when the left do it?

    Your post was nothing but fluff aimed at disparaging the "left" and provided nothing of substance about the OP. None of this has been tied to anyone on the "left". The Acting Commissioner, Steve Miller, has come out saying this groups were focused on after Citizens United because the sheer number of groups that popped up. He has stated that it wasn't the best way to handle, which I think everyone can agree on, but it seems to be a perfectly sane answer, until we find out otherwise. Until then, just continue to disparage the "left" if you think that will make others buy into your argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Ah, misdirection. One of the cornerstones of the left. Oh, they were willing to shred the Constitution at the "nomination". Okay, well, I guess all is excused. IRS, as you were. LOL.

    Got to do better than that.
    Hail to the King baby!

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    It seems to me, one of the objectives of liberal/progressive politics is to build the power of government agencies as a means of overseeing the operation of the country. We now have new government agencies with astounding power, joining other agencies who already wield powers beyond the reach of the citizens.

    When the best the Exectutive Branch can muster is a feigned bit of indignation over the actions of one of the most powerful agencies in the United States, there should be little doubt where this country is being led.
    Good afternoon, ocean515.

    Maybe if the government stopped all the "let's concentrate on tightening the screws on the American people" crap, and instead started doing the job they were elected to do, we would not be discussing their failures in Benghazi! That showed me more about what they really think of us than anything else they could have done! : We're apparently expendable...that is until they need us to provide more tax money for them to spend on things like the latest solar company who filed bankruptcy shortly after they received millions of our tax dollars! Odd how our hard-earned money goes into a bottomless pit never to be seen again, with nothing to show for it.. you'd think they would at least give us each a solar panel or a solar wind-chime, or something for our contribution... :

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    So you are willing to look beyond the "right" and their skirting of the constitution, but wave a big flag when the left do it?

    Your post was nothing but fluff aimed at disparaging the "left" and provided nothing of substance about the OP. None of this has been tied to anyone on the "left". The Acting Commissioner, Steve Miller, has come out saying this groups were focused on after Citizens United because the sheer number of groups that popped up. He has stated that it wasn't the best way to handle, which I think everyone can agree on, but it seems to be a perfectly sane answer, until we find out otherwise. Until then, just continue to disparage the "left" if you think that will make others buy into your argument.
    Well, you seem to completely miss the point that with any number of scandals, or potential scandals that come out, Obama and crew no nothing about any of it. Get it? Who the hell is running the place if they don't know anything, which I don't believe. Do you really think that it is even possible that Holder knew nothing about what they did to the AP?

    Steve Miller says "it wasn't the best way to handle" that? LOL, are you freakin' kidding??? That's like Jared Laudner saying what he did wasn't the best way to handle his situation.

    Oh, and your substance was where?

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