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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    His problem is primarily that groups he favors got targeted. He's so offended that he's actually arguing that the IRS shouldn't practice critical thinking.

    It's pretty asinine to think that the IRS should basically go about it like this:

    "Well, the law explicitly states that such an organization either cannot do political activity in a material way, or as a primary function, so let's completely ignore the signs that scream that this application is heavily political."

    But that is exactly what OpportunityCost is arguing for.
    Why would the IRS ask people about what their prayers said, if this had anythg to do with what you claim?
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post


    What's ****ing tiring is when partisan hackjobs get all upset over **** they don't understand. Fail to understand the reasons, and then ignore when their party did objectively worse **** that had no rational basis. At least the IRS had a rational reason for what it did. I haven't heard any of the "Impeach Obama" Club say a damn thing about how it was wrong for Bush to go after Greenpeace purely because a few donators didn't like them. If you want to get upset over the IRS scandal, you need to go back a decade. Or you are without question a partisan hackjob tool.
    It is your contention that the Greenpeace audit was politically motivated?
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And where did you get the information that no 'egregious' IRS actions were found on the Bush era ones?
    Here (I was wrong on the date):

    http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...00510035fr.pdf
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    In a world of infinite resources where the IRS has huge staff to look at each application sure. That world does not exist. Again, the IRS did the same thing the Israelis do at their border. They profiled.
    Except we dont ALLOW profiling in our legal system.

    What you simply do not understand is what the code actually says. Essentially you are arguing that the Israelis shouldn't profile shady Arab Males with "Death to Israel" on their shirts as they try to enter Israel. If you have an overtly political name, you SHOULD get scrutiny when you apply for a status that legally bars you from engaging in political activity as your primary activity.The worst part about this is several Tea Party groups outright LIED to the IRS in stating they would have no political activity. Some were running ads BEFORE they submitted their applications that stated they would engage in no political activity.
    Except Liberal groups did the same thing and had few to no problems. IRS gave liberals a pass; Tea Party groups put on hold
    ALL poltical activity should be examined or none of it should.



    Using profiling is not willy nilly. You are upset that a group you like got profiled. Fundementally that is your problem. And the IRS again does not have infinite resources. And it's flat out stupid to call what they did stupid. Overtly political groups applying for a status that legally bars them from being primarily political and you think it's wrong to give extra scrutiny to those with names overtly political? So many wrongheaded ideas you have. Go talk to Israel. Tell them that their profiling is wrong. *rolls eyes*
    Once again you dont seem to understand we do not allow profiling in our legal system. My problem is not with who was profiled but that it occurred at all.


    And how does that make me wrong? Oh wait. It doesn't. You are on the losing end of this discussion. I get that you do not have any clue about the abuse going on. I get that you do not have even the slightest grasp of what the code actually says. I get that you cannot even imagine the kind of arguments that tax professionals have been making. But you think you can come in here and pretend you know more than me. Really?
    No, thats your schtick. Check the arrogance, its annoying.

    4. Trolling bull**** is trolling bull****. Not everyone that disagrees with you doesnt understand, they just dont agree. If you really want to hold out that environmental groups dont advocate into politics, you are definitely fooling yourself.
    Show me a single person other than myself who has demonstrated knowledge of the code, the history of abuse and the expertise of the subject. You won't simply because you cannot.



    That's the best you have? You are turning into a partian hackjob.
    This isnt about the regulatory code anymore, its about political afiliation being used by the government as a basis for regulatory abuse.

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