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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Where is the outrage from our "conservative" members when the Bush Administration siced the IRS on the Pasadena Church for being against the Iraq war?
    Where is the outrage from our "conservative" members when the Bush Administration siced the IRS on the Greenpeace because several Bush Donors didn't like Greenpeace?
    Where is the outrage from our "conservative" members when the Bush Administration siced the IRS on the NAACP because several Bush Donors didn't like Greenpeace?

    At least here, there is ACTUAL OBJECTIVE REASONS to go after overtly politically named groups applying for status that is prohibited from primarily engaging in political activity.

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Yes and no. It's politically motivated because the 501(c)4 section explicitly prohibits the organization from being primarily political. When idiot groups have overtly political names, they should get more scrutiny as they are already putting up a big red flag that they are potentially violating the 501(c)4 laws.

    The IRS did the same thing the IDF does at its borders and ports. People who look suspicious get more scrutiny. Putting an overtly political name on an application for a status that explicitly prohibits primary political activity should get you more scrutiny.
    Well, I would go with the impression that Obama knew all along. Considering he fired an IG who was investigating his Buddy. Once they Connect Obama to Walpin. He wont be able to say he didn't know anything. IMO that is. Well some others too.

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, I would go with the impression that Obama knew all along. Considering he fired an IG who was investigating his Buddy. Once they Connect Obama to Walpin. He wont be able to say he didn't know anything. IMO that is. Well some others too.
    That doesn't necessarily mean that Obama knew everything about what the IRS was doing. President doesn't have all of the time in the world to know what every department is doing. I find it incredibly amusing that people who bash the Federal government as a giant monstrosity (which it is) find it easy to think that the President knows everything about every part of government and what they're doing. Hello, you just argued the government is so huge, but then argue the most busy man on the planet has time to know what every department is doing. Makes no sense.

    The same people who defended Bush against the idiotic leftist claims that Bush knew everything are now making the same arguments against Obama. Seems some partisans aren't as different as they'd like to believe.

    Sure the IG issue looks dirty, but could be an issue of cleaning house from prior Presidential appointments. Still bad, but considering that Obama basically failed to stop the investigation and his friend did pay it back, kind of a crappy job at a political firing.
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    just 2 days before planting that questioner at the aba convention in dc, ms lerner outright lied to democrats on the house oversight committee

    She said she hadn't revealed the information sooner, because she was never asked. But just two days before the ABA conference, Lerner was specifically asked about the investigation.

    Rep. Joseph Crowley, D-N.Y., asked her if she could "comment briefly on the status on the IRS investigation into these political not-for-profits."

    She said: "Well there's a questionnaire that began this discussion and there's also a questionnaire out there that is seeking info from 501 c3,4,5 organizations."

    Crowley called her answer evasive.

    "The bottom line is you cannot lie to Congress, and you cannot be evasive, you cannot try to mislead Congress," he said.
    ms lerner, it turns out, has quite a colorful past, and the pastels have remained unchanged

    In the 1990's, Lerner also served as chief of enforcement at the Federal Elections Commission.

    Under her direction, the FEC undertook the largest enforcement action in its history -- suing the Christian Coalition for violating campaign laws. The Christian Coalition won, but in one deposition, FEC lawyers asked a defendant if televangelist Pat Robertson prayed for him.

    Lerner is represented by lawyer William W. Taylor, who is noted for winning a dismissal of all charges against former IMF director Dominique Strauss-Kahn in a high-profile sexual assault case.
    IRS official who refused to testify facing more scrutiny over scandal, past | Fox News

    it's people like lois lerner and douglas shulman and steven miller and cindy thomas and colleen kelley and neal wolin and barack hussein obama that make appointments of special prosecutors inevitable

    ask congressman lynch from south boston

    http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/joe-scho...s-stonewalling

    seeya at the hearings, haters

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    I see almost no one discussing PACs, Citizens' United, the actual Code and tax experts for years saying it's being abused.

    Looks like a section of the community really doesn't give a **** about what was actually going on and why. They're just here to bash.

    And their complete and absolute silence on the Bush administration's objectively worse abuses via the IRS is quite telling.
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    They searched out groups who had names with "Tea Party", "Patriots", "9/12", etc... in it. Gee, you think there was bias? I guess the head of the IRS doesn't agree with you, that they didn't go far enough, he just resigned.
    So profiling is bad when we do it to groups you like but it's okay against Muslims?

    Tell me, why shouldn't the IRS profile overtly political names when they are applying for a tax section that explicitly bars political activity as a primary function? Do you think that the Israelis shouldn't profile shifty Arab males carrying big suitcases who have Jihad written on their shirts? Do you think that Cops in Camden NY shouldn't profile African Americans wearing gang colors and throwing gang signs?

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Even though 132 members of Congress sent former Internal Revenue Service Commissioner Douglas Shulman letters about the IRS targeting of conservative groups, Shulman reiterated Wednesday that he did not have the full story until the inspector general’s report came out.
    holly paz put the lie to that claim

    Internal IRS probe cited same problems with approach to conservative groups in May 2012, House aide says

    “In the two years that this targeting was taking place, did any member of Congress contact you? Write you? About this particular subject? Ohio Republican Rep. Jim Jordan asked during a House Oversight hearing. “Did you get letters from Congress?”

    Jordan explained that based on documents from the IRS, 132 different members of Congress contacted Shulman over the two year period the IRS was targeting conservative groups about the tax exemption issue.

    Jordan pointed out to Shulman that there had been 42 news stories about potential IRS targeting in that two-year time frame as well.

    “So here is what everyone wants to know: You’ve got 132 members of the United States Congress contacting you about this issue, 42 news stories about this issue in the time period in question, and you never checked it out?. You never researched it? I mean, are you sure you’re being square with us today, Mr. Shulman?”

    “I am absolutely telling you the truth today,” Shulman said.

    Jordan also delved into the number of times Shulman visited the White House.

    One hundred and eighteen times you were at the White House, 132 Members of Congress contact you about this information, 42 major news stories about this very subject and you told Congress a year ago, ‘I can give you assurances nothing is going on, everything is wonderful, we’re not targeting conservative groups,’” Jordan said. “That is why the American people are like, ‘This is unbelievable.’”
    Shulman never looked into IRS targeting, 132 congressmen asked | The Daily Caller

    gallup: 74% say "the irs issue is a serious matter that needs to be investigated," 56% feel that way strongly

    including 62% of dems and 76% of independents

    Gallup: Americans find IRS and Benghazi serious matters that need investigation

    why can't obama state flatly when he knew about what was going on at his irs for 2 years?

    how could his chief of staff be aware while the president remains ignorant?

    the irs' internal investigation conducted by ms marks, independent of tigta, found "substantial bias" against tea and other conservative groups and made a "presentation" to commissioner miller on may 3, 2012---what's up with that?

    why did shulman and miller lie to congress repeatedly?

    why did ms lerner take the fifth?

    and why DID the irs single out for extremely rigorous scrutiny the people whom the president most pointedly despises?

    stay tuned

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    april 12, 2013

    OFA, Obama Outside Group, Raises $4.8 Million In First Quarter 2013 - HuffPo

    indeed a half million dollar gift to the 501c4 gets you regular attendance at those exciting white house quarterly meetings

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