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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Check out Alexandra Petri's hilarious take on IRS "helpfulness."

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    Good morning, Jack!

    I'm enjoying : and laughing my head off at Alexandra Petri's article. Great way to start the day

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    conservatives were trying to scam the system
    why were miller and grant fired? why are lerner and wolin next?

    why are sander levin and all the dem members of w&m so outraged and offended?

    why does senator mccaskill want all their heads?

    McCaskill Calls For Firing Of All Involved In IRS Targeting Scandal « CBS St. Louis

    they are incredibly understanding and helpful
    LOL!

    not according to miller

    Ousted IRS chief: We provided horrible customer service - NBC

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Check out Alexandra Petri's hilarious take on IRS "helpfulness."

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    Thanks for the link. Here's another by Petri that's pretty funny: The IRS’s unreasonable 501(c)4 requests

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

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    Your second point is wrong. The actual words Tea Party appeared on paper, but they appear to be shorthand for both overly political groups and as a catchall for conservative groups. There is no evidence that any group was singled out because it had tea party in its name.
    Then what did the IG mean when he in the ‘results of review’ section (pg 5) stated:

    The Determinations Unit developed and used inappropriate criteria to identify applications from organizations with the words Tea Party in their names. These applications (hereafter referred to as potential political cases)13 were forwarded to a team of specialists14 for review. Subsequently, the Determinations Unit expanded the criteria to inappropriately include organizations with other specific names (Patriots and 9/12) or policy positions.

    Tea Party groups were identified because they were the ones abusing 501(c)(4) and 501(c)(3) NFP status. This wasn't an effort to get conservatives. It was a recognition that conservatives were trying to scam the system.
    They ‘were the ones abusing 501(c)(4) and 501(c)(3) NFP status’? Do you have evidence of this? The IG report didn’t many any sort of similar claims. Further, wouldn’t an organization abusing NFP status be investigated for their actions and not for merely applying for status or are you arguing that the mere application FOR status equals abusing status? Kinda ambiguous…

    To your last point, there is no listing of the 298 groups which were sent to group of specialists for extra scrutiny. However, the audit found that 207 were processed correctly, 91 should not have been included, but there were 144 political groups which were missed. As of yet, there has not been any breakdown of these numbers by politcal views.
    Ok, and your point is? That we don’t have enough information to make a final conclusion? If so I stipulate.

    Finally, it is absurd to hold the IRS to a standard above which you would hold any other organization without also acknowledging that you're holding them up to a much higher standard…
    So the President was absurd when he used the word ‘especially’?

    The government generally has to conduct itself in a way that is true to the public trust. That’s especially true for the IRS.
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Have you ever dealt with them?
    Actually I have on numerous occasions through the course of my business career. And as you describe:

    I've dealt with customer service, banks, credit card companies etc... None of them were anywhere near as helpful and polite as the IRS. No one likes the people taking your money. But the IRS made you feel like they were trying to help you, rather than take your money.
    is an UNDERSTATEMENT from my experience. They have always bent over backwards to reach an amicable resolution. But this doesn't excuse their actions in the matter at hand.
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Have you ever dealt with them?

    I had an issue where Turbo-Tax didn't file my return. I insist that I made it through the confirmation sequence, they insist that I never pushed the button. My suspicion is that their servers weren't capable of handling the volume of requests they were getting, and would reply back as confirmed without storing the result in their db. I didn't discover the problem for almost a year. When I called Turbo-Tax they were borderline rude, and said that I'm on my own and that I should just deal with the IRS. The IRS on the other hand was incredibly helpful, waived all fees, and walked me through what I needed to do to.

    I've dealt with customer service, banks, credit card companies etc... None of them were anywhere near as helpful and polite as the IRS. No one likes the people taking your money. But the IRS made you feel like they were trying to help you, rather than take your money.

    (BTW.. by in large, every horror story about the IRS involves people trying to scam the IRS. Compare this to the foreclosure stories where people who never missed a payment, had their homes sold out from underneath them)
    I need no reminder that federal civil servants are overwhelmingly fine people doing a good job. I was a fed myself for almost 34 years. That means it's actually more likely that there was political intervention to make the bias happen. If that's true it will come out in due course.
    I don't have much sympathy for those who were foreclosed. People should buy houses they can afford. And I have never heard of people being foreclosed who "never missed a payment."
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

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    Good morning, Jack!

    I'm enjoying : and laughing my head off at Alexandra Petri's article. Great way to start the day
    You're welcome. Happy Sunday, Polgara.
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

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    Thanks for the link. Here's another by Petri that's pretty funny: The IRS’s unreasonable 501(c)4 requests
    Good afternoon, nota bene.

    Isn't she great? As I posted earlier to Jack Hays, she is a great way to start off the day! I may subscribe to the Washington Post just to read her articles!

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

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    Good afternoon, nota bene.

    Isn't she great? As I posted earlier to Jack Hays, she is a great way to start off the day! I may subscribe to the Washington Post just to read her articles!
    I already a registered user, but these days, I read the online news "new-school," and so I've missed Petri. She's really very funny, and I was doing just what you were doing--enjoying coffee and a Sunday-morning read--when I saw your response to Jack Hays and clicked. Pleasant way to begin the day!

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I already a registered user, but these days, I read the online news "new-school," and so I've missed Petri. She's really very funny, and I was doing just what you were doing--enjoying coffee and a Sunday-morning read--when I saw your response to Jack Hays and clicked. Pleasant way to begin the day!
    Her use of analogies, combined with her references to mythological creatures, had me in stitches! Very clever woman!

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