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Internal Revenue Service officials in Washington and at least two other offices were involved in the targeting of conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status, making clear the effort reached well beyond the branch in Cincinnati that was initially blamed, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post.

IRS officials at the agency’s Washington headquarters sent queries to conservative groups asking about their donors and other aspects of their operations, while officials in the El Monte and Laguna Niguel offices in California sent similar questionnaires to tea party-affiliated groups.


IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups - The Washington Post

and up the ladder it goes all the way to the WH
pack your bags Obama
 
Mitch McConnel today is saying its not only the IRS but numerous other Fed Agencies. Lots of Liberal will be lining up to take the fall for Bama.
 
washington post, 5:39 pm eastern

Internal Revenue Service officials in Washington and at least two other offices were involved in the targeting of conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status, making clear that the effort reached well beyond the branch in Cincinnati that was initially blamed, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post.

IRS officials at the agency’s Washington headquarters sent queries to conservative groups asking about their donors and other aspects of their operations, while officials in the El Monte and Laguna Niguel offices in California sent similar questionnaires to tea party-affiliated groups.

IRS employees in Cincinnati also told conservatives seeking the status of “social welfare” groups that a task force in Washington was overseeing their applications, according to interviews with the activists.

Moreover, details of the IRS’s efforts to target conservative groups reached the highest levels of the agency in May 2012, far earlier than has been disclosed, according to Republican congressional aides briefed by the IRS and the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) on the details of their reviews.

Then commissioner, Douglas Shulman, a George W. Bush appointee who stepped down in November, received a briefing from the TIGTA about what was happening in the Cincinnati office in May 2012, the aides said. His deputy and the agency’s current acting commissioner, Steven T. Miller, also learned about the matter that month, the aides said.

The officials did not share details with Republican lawmakers who had been demanding to know whether the IRS was targeting conservative groups, Republicans said.

“I wrote to the IRS three times last year after hearing concerns that conservative groups were being targeted,” Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah), the ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee, said in a statement Monday. “In response to the first letter I sent with some of my colleagues, Steven Miller, the current Acting IRS Commissioner, responded that these groups weren’t being targeted.”

White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters Monday that the White House counsel’s office learned of an upcoming IRS inspector’s general report on April 22 as part of a routine notification, but had not received access to the report.

Although some of the groups were explicitly labeled “tea party” or “patriot,” others that came under intense scrutiny were focused on challenging the Affordable Care Act — known by many as Obamacare — or the integrity of federal elections.

In a June 3, 2011, letter to the IRS, Mitchell questioned the agency’s motivations for delaying recognition of one of her clients who had filed nearly two years earlier, writing, “Is the [group’s] opposition to Obamacare and the takeover of America’s healthcare system by the government the reason that this application has been held up and not approved?”

Catherine Engelbrecht, president of the Houston-based True the Vote, first filed for tax-exempt status in July 2010. At one point, Engelbrecht — who is still awaiting a determination from the IRS regarding her voting rights organization and a separate tea party group, King Street Patriots — said an IRS employee informed her: I'm just doing what Washington is telling me to do. I’m just asking what they want me to ask.”

The IRS did not respond to requests for comment Monday.

IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups - The Washington Post

the prof knew in february, 2012

the prof posted it here in dp

Claim: IRS Won't Approve Tax Status for Richmond Tea Party

IRS Battling Tea Party Groups Over Tax-Exempt Status

bill kristol and arianna huffington knew in march, 2012

the former director and current acting director knew in may, 2012

but barack hussein obama didn't find out til last friday

this will not fly---he's doomed

he's lost wapo, for one thing

has he still got YOU?

you're loyal, gotta give ya that

but loyal to what?

trainwreck baucus, chair of finance, is gonna hold hearings IN THE SENATE

downstairs, camp at ways and means says MONTHS

mr shulman testified under oath in march, definitively, unequivocally: there was no special treatment for wingnuts

the ig says shulman was informed of the details in may

why didn't barack obama's irs commissioner correct his false testimony?

targeting groups opposed to the affordable care act, huh?

otherwise known as obamacare...

that's getting kinda close
 
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I hope all the truth will come out, but this is all pretty depressing in a Nixonian "enemies list" kinda way.
 
Internal Revenue Service officials in Washington and at least two other offices were involved in the targeting of conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status, making clear the effort reached well beyond the branch in Cincinnati that was initially blamed, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post.

They didn't go far enough. Any 501(c)4 with anything even remotely political in their descriptions should have gotten a full force audit if they were over a threshold in assets. I don't give a **** who you are backing.

The past two elections have been abused up the *** by PACs. And so many 501(c)4s are functionally PACs. The Service needs to come down hard.

If you want to be all political, fine, just don't abuse the tax exemption to do it.
 
Internal Revenue Service officials in Washington and at least two other offices were involved in the targeting of conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status, making clear the effort reached well beyond the branch in Cincinnati that was initially blamed, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post.

IRS officials at the agency’s Washington headquarters sent queries to conservative groups asking about their donors and other aspects of their operations, while officials in the El Monte and Laguna Niguel offices in California sent similar questionnaires to tea party-affiliated groups.


IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups - The Washington Post

and up the ladder it goes all the way to the WH
pack your bags Obama

Somebody is getting fired over this, but if you think it's Obama, you're delusional.

Although I tend to agree with Obvious Child. These tax-exempt organizations deserve broad and overwhelming scrutiny, they've been abused for too long.
 
Mitch McConnel today is saying its not only the IRS but numerous other Fed Agencies. Lots of Liberal will be lining up to take the fall for Bama.

Don't think they will line up to to take the fall when a criminal convection is used as a bargaining chip, because this goes beyond unethical it broke the law. it is illegal what was done
 
wapo's cillizza, speaking for just about every mouth with a voice today on msnbc

President Obama waited 3 days to address the IRS scandal. Why?

Obama’s strong condemnation of the growing scandal came amid similar denunciations from Democratic elected officials. Montana Sen. Max Baucus called it an “outrageous abuse of power and a breach of the public’s trust.” West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin described the IRS’ actions as “unacceptable and un-American.” You get the idea.

The question being asked in the political world today is whether the condemnations are too little, too late. As in, did the Obama Administration — and other Democrats in the House and Senate — miss their chance to claim some sort of high(ish) message ground by largely taking a pass on the story when it broke on Friday morning?

Let’s revisit how the White House handled the story.

First, press secretary Jay Carney was asked about the story at a press briefing later on Friday. “If this activity took place, it is inappropriate,” Carney said while repeatedly emphasizing that the IRS is “an independent enforcement agency” that has only two political appointees.

Then, on Saturday, Carney issued another, slightly more expansive statement. “The President believes that the American people expect and deserve to have the very best public servants with the highest levels of integrity working in government agencies on their behalf,” it read in part. “Based on recent media reports, he is concerned that the conduct of a small number of Internal Revenue Service employees may have fallen short of that standard.”

Then, silence. Democrats largely avoided saying or doing anything over the weekend — even as the story grew worse for the IRS and people like Maine Sen. Susan Collins, not exactly a partisan bomb-thrower, called the episode “absolutely chilling” on Sunday.

We asked around Democratic circles this morning in search of some insight as to the strategy behind most elected Democrats staying (largely) silent while Republicans leapt on the issue like Jamie Lannister jumping into a bear pit.

The White House side of things goes something like this: Carney’s main focus in the Friday presser was on the questions raised about the edits made to talking points issued in the wake of the attacks in Benghazi, Libya. Getting that right was of critical importance and deviating at all from the plan to fully engage on that issue could have had a set of bad political consequences all its own. The White House also knew that Obama had today’s press conference with British Prime Minister David Cameron already on the schedule, an event that would give him/them a chance to adress the IRS issue head on. And, as Obama himself said today, he only learned of the IRS allegations Friday so offering a blanket condemnation might have been tough in such a short time window.

Democratic Congressional strategists offered little in the way of explanation for the relative silence of their incumbents/candidates on the IRS over the weekend other than to say that Senators and House Members typically take their cues from the White House in sticky political situations like this one.

independent agency with only two appointees...

unfortunately, the former commissioner and the acting commissioner, mr's shulman and miller, both knew in may 2012, says tigta

shulman and miller both allowed the discrimination to continue

and both obama's appointees at the irs lied about the agency's practices for at least a year to congress, to citizens, to YOU

so we got this ap phone flap and this illicit irs inferno...

you're gonna hear conservatives bringing up the kill list, the assertion by holder that he can take out american citizens on american soil by fiat, caprice

Eric Holder: Drone Strike To Kill U.S. Citizen On American Soil Legal

this white house is power mad

and that's no spin, wynn

you better get out fast

cuz if wapo's wobbling...
 
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time magazine's joe klein:

"It's no secret that this hasn't been the best managed administration that we've seen come down the pike in a while, although the president really is proud of his record of non-corruption which this, you know, kind of destroys. I do believe that in the end, the big issue isn't going to be the mistake and the stupidity of the mid-level employees who launched this, but it's going to be how much did the White House know and when did it know it? Was this scandal submerged for electoral purposes in 2011, 2012?" (Hardball, May 13, 2013)

Klein On IRS: "How Much Did The White House Know And When Did It Know It? | RealClearPolitics

obama today at "the sideshow:"

Well, let me take the IRS situation first. I first learned about it from the same news reports that I think most people learned about this. I think it was on Friday.

Obama: I First Learned Of IRS Situation On Friday | RealClearPolitics
 
They didn't go far enough. Any 501(c)4 with anything even remotely political in their descriptions should have gotten a full force audit if they were over a threshold in assets. I don't give a **** who you are backing.

The past two elections have been abused up the *** by PACs. And so many 501(c)4s are functionally PACs. The Service needs to come down hard.

If you want to be all political, fine, just don't abuse the tax exemption to do it.

Your rant would be fine if the IRS went after all these 501c organizations. It is an abuse of power when the IRS is used as a weapon against one political party.
 
Your rant would be fine if the IRS went after all these 501c organizations. It is an abuse of power when the IRS is used as a weapon against one political party.

Hence why I said they didn't go far enough. They stopped early when they should have been "balls to the wall let's get them all."

My problem isn't that they went after certain parties hard. My problem is that they didn't go after the rest hard. Giving potential PACs a hard as hell audit is something I LIKE. Not giving them ALL a hard as hell audit is something I don't.

Yeah, going after just one political group is abuse of power, but considering how the 501(c)4 has been abused by PACs, it's about damn time the service started putting its boot down their throats. Now, it's time to put the boot down the other sides' throat.
 
Hence why I said they didn't go far enough. They stopped early when they should have been "balls to the wall let's get them all."

My problem isn't that they went after certain parties hard. My problem is that they didn't go after the rest hard. Giving potential PACs a hard as hell audit is something I LIKE. Not giving them ALL a hard as hell audit is something I don't.

Yeah, going after just one political group is abuse of power, but considering how the 501(c)4 has been abused by PACs, it's about damn time the service started putting its boot down their throats. Now, it's time to put the boot down the other sides' throat.

OK we agree!
 
OK we agree!

You should look up some of the 501s on Guidestar. I'm amazed how the IRS hasn't gone after them. The abuse is apparent from their own tax forms. Ridiculous. Some of these look like they exist to pay their officers. Compensation to officers is OUTRAGEOUS. The entire 501 section is in dire need of reform after the past two elections.
 
it's time to put the boot down the other sides' throat.

have you MET barack obama?

LOL!

New information shows that top Internal Revenue Service officials had much earlier knowledge of audits that targeted conservative groups, raising questions about whether they gave Congress accurate answers when pressed by GOP lawmakers last year.

A timeline released late Monday by Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch, the top Republican on the Finance Committee, revealed that then-IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman was briefed about the practice by the agency’s watchdog in May 2012.

Shulman testified before Congress just two months earlier that the IRS wasn’t singling out conservative groups. The IRS said earlier on Monday that Shulman’s successor, Steve Miller, was also informed about the practice in May 2012.

He was the deputy commissioner for services and enforcement at the time. Lawmakers wrote letters to Shulman in June and August 2012 seeking more information about how the agency was reviewing 501(c)(4) groups. Miller responded with a letter in September 2012 that didn’t mention anything about the program that has caused a political firestorm since it came to light on Friday.

With Shulman out of office, attention is increasingly focusing on Miller. Some lawmakers, including Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) called for him to step down on Monday.

“It is almost inconceivable to imagine that top officials at the IRS knew conservative groups were being targeted but chose to willfully mislead the committee’s investigation into this practice,” House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp said Monday.

“This revelation goes against the very principles of free speech and liberty upon which this country was founded, and the blatant disregard for which the agency has treated Congress and the American taxpayer raises serious concerns about leadership at the IRS.”

Miller is scheduled to testify before Camp’s panel on Friday.

An IRS spokesperson declined to comment Monday night. Meanwhile, the agency’s initial defense that only low-level employees in Cincinnati were involved with the probing of conservative groups is also beginning to crumple.

Questions grow over IRS response to GOP - Lauren French - POLITICO.com

even if shulman DIDN'T know in march, 2012, when he testified, he is still just as obligated when he indeed DOES find out the truth two months later to amend his remarks

and for miller to be sitting there all this time since then and not to come clean, indeed, to continue to deny and obfuscate and, well, lie...

it is what it is

very chicago

surprised?
 
Anything is possible but I don't buy that this was low or mid level employees doing this on their won. I think it is much more likely that someone like the chief of staff and the people that run the campaigning, after the massive defeats in the 2010 congressional elections, became alarmed of the tea pary and other conservative organizers and so they got the IRS to target them, to weaken them. Same with Benghazi. It is the leaders of the Obama campaign who wanted to paint the picture that the world loves us since Obama replaced Bush, and that since they got Bin Laden they had basically won the war on terrorism. This was going to be a major part of their campaign against Romney. That is why they were so adamant to make the video the reason in their talking points. It was spin ie lying. And to me it is extremely obvious. And I am no GOP supporter, I am a centrist with no political home or leanings to either party. It makes me mad how arrogant these people are. And how dangerous a cliff we are walking.
 
Interesting....it was a GWBush appointee in charge of the IRS when the agency began focusing on rightwing 501c-4's.......

....Then commissioner, Douglas Shulman, a George W. Bush appointee who stepped down in November, received a briefing from the TIGTA about what was happening in the Cincinnati office in May 2012, the aides said. His deputy and the agency’s current acting commissioner, Steven T. Miller, also learned about the matter that month, the aides said.

Apparently, heads have already rolled. "Heads rolled"....funny old medieval expression that.


This scandel reminds me of when the IRS singled out liberal 501c non profits, charities and Black churches just before the 2004 election. Where was the rightwing's outrage then?
 
Interesting....it was a GWBush appointee in charge of the IRS when the agency began focusing on rightwing 501c-4's.......



Apparently, heads have already rolled. "Heads rolled"....funny old medieval expression that.


This scandel reminds me of when the IRS singled out liberal 501c non profits, charities and Black churches just before the 2004 election. Where was the rightwing's outrage then?
Congrats! Only page 2 before it is Bush's fault. So since you don't have anything relevant or negative to say about this kind of activity from the IRS, why don't you lay down the details of this scandel from just before the 2004 election. Apparently you thought it was relevant, in what way? Two wrongs make a right way? Did you find it to be something completely irrelevant and devoid of concern back then too? Let me guess in 2004 did that scandel remind you of something from 1993 that you found equally as benign too? My how relevant that all must be!:roll:
 
Anything is possible but I don't buy that this was low or mid level employees doing this on their won. I think it is much more likely that someone like the chief of staff and the people that run the campaigning, after the massive defeats in the 2010 congressional elections, became alarmed of the tea pary and other conservative organizers and so they got the IRS to target them, to weaken them. Same with Benghazi. It is the leaders of the Obama campaign who wanted to paint the picture that the world loves us since Obama replaced Bush, and that since they got Bin Laden they had basically won the war on terrorism. This was going to be a major part of their campaign against Romney. That is why they were so adamant to make the video the reason in their talking points. It was spin ie lying. And to me it is extremely obvious.

How come conservatives always make accusations before the fact instead of after the fact?

And I am no GOP supporter, I am a centrist with no political home or leanings to either party.
You sure could have fooled me.

It makes me mad how arrogant these people are. And how dangerous a cliff we are walking.
You're mad because "these people" aren't cow towing to your subjective reasoning and that make them "arrogant"? Really?
 
Congrats! Only page 2 before it is Bush's fault. So since you don't have anything relevant or negative to say about this kind of activity from the IRS, why don't you lay down the details of this scandal from just before the 2004 election. Apparently you thought it was relevant, in what way? Two wrongs make a right way? Did you find it to be something completely irrelevant and devoid of concern back then too? Let me guess in 2004 did that scandel remind you of something from 1993 that you found equally as benign too? My how relevant that all must be!:roll:

Just stating the facts, ma'am. My goodness, you sure do rile easy. Yes, in light of the right wing's political witch hunt, I think it is totally relevant to point out their hypocrisy. So sorry if that bothers you. :roll:
 
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Just stating the facts, ma'am. My goodness, you sure do rile easy. Yes, in light of the right wing's political witch hunt, I think it is totally relevant to point out their hypocrisy. So sorry if that bothers you. :roll:

Yeah you sound like atypical partisan yourself.
 
I've got a bridge to sell you if you are buying what the administration is selling on the two scandals.
 
Just stating the facts, ma'am. My goodness, you sure do rile easy. Yes, in light of the right wing's political witch hunt, I think it is totally relevant to point out their hypocrisy. So sorry if that bothers you. :roll:
I'm not exactly sure why you thought editing my forum handle as well as misreading my sex was the first place you started with your reply. Aside from obviously less than complementary reasons for you. Don't worry I have utilized the forum super heroes bat signal and notified them of your brain dead ham-fisted fistery of the rules you know all too well!

I had a sneaking suspicion that this IRS Liberal 501c 'scandel' from 2004 you spoke of was something you and you alone recall.
 
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Yeah you sound like atypical partisan yourself.
It never seems to fail that people who call themselves "centrists" are usually more biased and partisan than most far right extremists. You sure didn't disappoint.
 
I'm not exactly sure why you thought editing my forum handle as well as misreading my sex was the first place you started with your reply. Aside from obviously less than complementary reasons for you. Don't worry I have utilized the forum super heroes bat signal and notified them of your brain dead ham-fisted fistery of the rules you know all too well!

I had a sneaking suspicion that this IRS Liberal 501c 'scandel' you spoke of was something you and you alone recall.
Mis-spelling your forum handle was an honest mistake by spellcheck, Gie. And uh, I hope the mods realize that you're the one trying to make it personal, not me.
 
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