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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    ...give rational responses?
    When I encounter something approaching a rational point, I'll be sure to do so.

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    When I encounter something approaching a rational point, I'll be sure to do so.
    No, I don't think you would. Let's take a look at the post by you directly before this one shall we?

    You said in response to a quip about the scrutiny being race based, rather than ideological.

    "...Yes, if the IRS applied more scrutiny to applications for non-profit status on the basis of one's race, people would be pissed.

    And rightfully so."

    So, clearly you think one form of discrimination is wrong, but another is acceptable. I can't express how wrong, and dangerous that thinking is among todays radical liberals.
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, clearly you think one form of discrimination is wrong, but another is acceptable. I can't express how wrong, and dangerous that thinking is among todays radical liberals.
    God, your being obtuse.

    Of course, scrutinizing someone's application for non-profit status because they're black would be wrong in most any case. One's racial makeup has is no indication of whether or not they're trying to game the system and become a non-profit despite the primary motive of their organization being political in nature.

    In the right circumstances, you could apply more scrutiny to left-leaning organizations provided certain evidence was presented that could justify such an approach. This isn't a right-versus-left deal, this is a "too stupid to understand why the IRS might apply more scrutiny to Tea Baggers during the last election cycle versus informed, non-hysterical lot who don't get panicky and weepy and actually look at things with some degree of rational thought".

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Nothing that comes out of the two party system of
    America has any truth to it.

    Doesn't change the fact that PACs have been abusing the snot out of this. As Congress will not act to fix this, if it takes political abuse to stomp on it, so be it.

    And this is no different from how the Bush Adminstration directed the IRS to audit the NAACP and Greenpeace for no good reason, except here, PACs have actually been abusing the tax code.
    Irrelevent.

    IF PACs in general are the problem then PACs in general should have been investigated.

    If you wan't to talk about the two party system I advise you to start your own thread. This one is about the IRS under the Democrats targeting people based on their political ideology, and then lying about it, or refusing to testify by taking the fifth.

    Oh, you brought up 2 left wing orginizations that QUALIFIED FOR TAX EXEMPT STATUS.

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    God, your being obtuse.


    Of course, scrutinizing someone's application for non-profit status
    because they're black would be wrong in most any case. One's racial makeup has is no indication of whether or not they're trying to game the system and become a non-profit despite the primary motive of their organization being political in nature.

    In the right circumstances, you could apply more scrutiny to left-leaning organizations provided certain evidence was presented that could justify such an approach. This isn't a right-versus-left deal, this is a "too stupid to understand why the IRS might apply more scrutiny to Tea Baggers during the last election cycle versus informed, non-hysterical lot who don't get panicky and weepy and actually look at things with some degree of rational thought".
    If it's just a case of misunderstanding, if we're " too stupid to understand" why didn't Ms Lerner just explain it to us ?

    You know, instead of refusing to testify ?

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    They didn't go far enough. Any 501(c)4 with anything even remotely political in their descriptions should have gotten a full force audit if they were over a threshold in assets. I don't give a **** who you are backing.

    The past two elections have been abused up the *** by PACs. And so many 501(c)4s are functionally PACs. The Service needs to come down hard.

    If you want to be all political, fine, just don't abuse the tax exemption to do it.
    Then they should come down on ALL non-profits, not just the ones they don't like. That's the real crime, here.
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Somebody is getting fired over this, but if you think it's Obama, you're delusional.

    Although I tend to agree with Obvious Child. These tax-exempt organizations deserve broad and overwhelming scrutiny, they've been abused for too long.
    The longer The Messiah stays n office, the more crap that will float to the surface, so, I say let him serve out his term in shame.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    God, your being obtuse.

    Of course, scrutinizing someone's application for non-profit status because they're black would be wrong in most any case. One's racial makeup has is no indication of whether or not they're trying to game the system and become a non-profit despite the primary motive of their organization being political in nature.

    In the right circumstances, you could apply more scrutiny to left-leaning organizations provided certain evidence was presented that could justify such an approach. This isn't a right-versus-left deal, this is a "too stupid to understand why the IRS might apply more scrutiny to Tea Baggers during the last election cycle versus informed, non-hysterical lot who don't get panicky and weepy and actually look at things with some degree of rational thought".
    So, there aren't ANY Leftist NFP's out there, doing political work for the Dems? No unions, no one?

    We don't seem to hear y'all crying about the unions. Why not?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    Internal Revenue Service officials in Washington and at least two other offices were involved in the targeting of conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status, making clear the effort reached well beyond the branch in Cincinnati that was initially blamed, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post.

    IRS officials at the agency’s Washington headquarters sent queries to conservative groups asking about their donors and other aspects of their operations, while officials in the El Monte and Laguna Niguel offices in California sent similar questionnaires to tea party-affiliated groups.


    IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups - The Washington Post

    and up the ladder it goes all the way to the WH
    pack your bags Obama
    How is this news? We knew this last week. It was in the IG report.



    The applications went to Cincinnati. Cincinnati did the superficial investigation, approving all but 298 of 4510 applications in two years. This is were Tea Party, Patriot and 912 were used to identify political groups. Those 298 applications were investigated by a special committee in Washington et al. The committee sent out unnecessary requests to groups, less than half of which were Conservative.

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Irrelevent.
    Then you have no understanding of this topic. The entire point of why the IRS looked into 501(c)4s was to ensure they were not actually PACs. Saying PACs are irrelevant is saying the basis for the entire problem is irrelevant. Which makes you look extremely ignorant.

    IF PACs in general are the problem then PACs in general should have been investigated.
    I get that you really have no idea what you are discussing. First, PACs are a different organization, with different tax law and different laws. You cannot operate a tax exempt, no donor list PAC. What several groups tried to do was get a tax exempt, no public donor list PAC. That is prohibited. Hence why the IRS went after these groups. PACs are free to operate as they want under the PAC rules.

    You just demonstrated you have absolutely no understanding of this topic at all.

    Oh, you brought up 2 left wing orginizations that QUALIFIED FOR TAX EXEMPT STATUS.
    A long time ago. I also brought them up as examples of where the Republicans had no reasonable basis for scrutiny. Yet where has anyone screaming scandal said anything about them? You won't ever criticize the Bush administration for going after groups for no reason other than their dislike of the groups.
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