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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    its boot down their throats
    the boot:

    The Internal Revenue Service asked tea party groups to see donor rolls.

    It asked for printouts of Facebook posts.

    And it asked what books people were reading.

    A POLITICO review of documents from 11 tea party and conservative groups that the IRS scrutinized in 2012 shows the agency wanted to know everything — in some cases, it even seemed curious what members were thinking. The review included interviews with groups or their representatives from Hawaii, New Mexico, Ohio, Texas and elsewhere.

    Several of the groups were asked for resumés of top officers and descriptions of interviews with the media. One group was asked to provide “minutes of all board meetings since your creation.”

    Some of the letters asked for copies of the groups’ web pages, blog posts, and social media postings – making some tea party members worry they’d be punished for their tweets or Facebook comments by their followers.

    And each letter had a stern warning about “penalties of perjury” – which became intimidating for groups that were being asked about future activities, like future donations or endorsements.

    In one instance, the American Patriots Against Government Excess was asked to provide summaries or copies of all material passed out at meetings. The group had been reading the “The 5000 Year Leap” by Cleon Skousen and the U.S. Constitution.

    And then they asked whether one group knew Justin Binik-Thomas.

    Never heard of him? He’s a former leader of the Cincinnati Tea Party, and clearly someone in the Cincinnati IRS office knew who he was.

    So when the Liberty Township Tea Party applied for tax-exempt status, the IRS threw this question into its March 2011 letter to the group: “Provide details regarding your relationship with Justin Bink-Thomas.”

    “The thing that would characterize the attitude of the IRS was silence. We submitted our application and it would be almost a year before we would an answer back,” said Laurence Nordvig, the executive director of the Richmond Tea Party. “It’s not like we were talking to someone every day and they were being polite or rude. We weren’t hearing from them at all.”

    The Richmond group first applied for 501(c)(4) status in December 2009, and got final approval in July 2012.

    Toby Marie Walker, the president of the Waco Tea Party, says her group applied for 501(c)(4) status in July 2010 and didn’t get a response from the IRS until February 2012 – when it sent a letter with 20 questions, including requests for printouts of its web page and social networking sites.

    It also wanted copies of all newsletters, bulletins and fliers, as well as any stories written about the group.

    The IRS also asked for transcripts of radio shows where her group had mentioned political candidates by name – a job she figured would have cost her group $25,000. And it asked whether her group had “a close relationship” with any candidates or parties, a question she considered especially vague.

    Tea party groups felt that the requests for donors was particularly intrusive.
    The IRS wants YOU - to share everything - David Nather and Tarini Parti and Byron Tau - POLITICO.com

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    https://www.facebook.com/LarryConner...51393396885544

    Shortly after I did my April 2012 interview with President Obama, my wife, friends and some viewers suggested that I might need to watch out for the IRS.
    I don't accept "conspiracy theories", but I do know that almost immediately after the interview, the IRS started hammering me.

    At the time, I dismissed the "co-incidence", but now, I have concerns ... after revelations about the IRS targeting various groups and their members. Originally, the IRS apologized for red-flagging conservative groups and their members if they had "Tea Party" or "patriot" in their name. Today, there are allegations that the IRS focused on various groups and/or individuals questioning or criticizing government spending, taxes, debt or how the government is run ... any involved in limiting/expanding government, educating on the constitution and bill of rights, or social economic reform/movement.

    In that April 2012 interview, I questioned President Obama on several topics: the Buffet Rule, his public remarks about the Supreme Court before the ruling on the Affordable Care Act. I also asked why he wasn't doing more to help Sen. Claire McCaskill who at that time was expected to lose. The Obama interview caught fire and got wide-spread attention because I questioned his spending.
    I said some viewers expressed concern, saying they think he's "out of touch" because of his personal and family trips in the midst of our economic crisis. The President's face clearly showed his anger; afterwards, his staff which had been so polite ... suddenly went cold. That's to be expected, and I can deal with that just as I did with President George H. Bush's staff when he didn't like my questions.

    Journalistic integrity is of the utmost importance to me. My job is to ask the hard questions, because I believe viewers have a right to be well-informed. I cannot and will not promote anyone's agenda - political or otherwise - at the expense of the reporting the truth. What I don't like to even consider ... is that because of the Obama interview … the IRS put a target on me. Can I prove it? At this time, no. But it is a fact that since that April 2012 interview ... the IRS has been pressuring me.
    Yeah the whole public enemies thing....nah cant be....

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    If you violate the 501(c)4 rules, you are not entitled to secret donor lists.

    You are discussing something you do not understand.
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    shut up and read

    The report shows that top IRS officials put a stop to some of the questions in early 2012, including the ones that asked tea party groups who their donors were, what issues were important to them, and whether their top officers ever planned to run for office. And they told the investigators they planned to destroy the donor lists that had already been sent in.
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    shut up and read

    link above
    And there you go proving my point.
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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    tell it to politico

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    tell it to politico

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Hence why I said
    they didn't go far enough. They stopped early when they should have been "balls to the wall let's get them all."

    My problem isn't that they went after certain parties hard. My problem is that they didn't go after the rest hard. Giving potential PACs a hard as hell audit is something I LIKE. Not giving them ALL a hard as hell audit is something I don't.

    Yeah, going after just one political group is abuse of power, but considering how the 501(c)4 has been abused by PACs, it's about damn time the service started putting its boot down their throats. Now, it's time to put the boot down the other sides' throat.
    First off who knows how deep this really goes, as the IRS apolgy Friday that blamed it on low level workers has been exposed as a lie.

    In 2010 Max Baucus wrote a letter to the IRS director to crack down Conservative groups.

    Then in 2012 Chuck Schumer wrote a letter to the IRS telling them to crack down on Conservative groups. Six Democrat Congressmen signed it.

    Al Frankin of Mn
    Michael Bennet of Colorado
    Merkey of Oregon
    Shaheen of NH
    Udall of NM
    Sheldon Whitehouse of RI
    Welch of VT

    Add to that Carl Levin of Michigan who sent a set of letters to the IRS .

    Truth is the IRS was followinv orders from Capital Hill, not low level employees.

    NOTHING that comes out of the Democrat party had any truth to it.

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Why is it that profiling is perfectly fine when we are talking about people with ties to the middle east, but when we have large corporations hiding money in super PACs in order to influence our government and elections we cannot profile at all and must be fair? It is a bit interesting how most of the people arguing against this practice by the IRS would be the same people who would think you should single out an arab getting on a plane and let all the good white people just walk on by.

    Either profiling is a method to which you focus on the people most likely to commit a crime in an effort to catch the people most likely trying to commit a crime, or it is wrong because it takes assumptions into account and leaves giant gaping holes in security. Like always republicans need to pick a side.

    Oh, and there is just something a little amusing about republicans and conservatives being treated like criminals through profiling like they love to do to other minorities. It is really hard to shake my finger at the IRS of all things when i am so busy laughing at the irony. It could not have happened to a nastier group of prejudiced assholes who endorse treating immigrants and non-whites like crap because they think they are the master race. It is like excessive violence being uised against the klan. It is wrong, but it is so sweet and awesome.

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    Re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    NOTHING that comes out of the Democrat party had any truth to it.
    Nothing that comes out of the two party system of America has any truth to it.

    Doesn't change the fact that PACs have been abusing the snot out of this. As Congress will not act to fix this, if it takes political abuse to stomp on it, so be it.

    And this is no different from how the Bush Adminstration directed the IRS to audit the NAACP and Greenpeace for no good reason, except here, PACs have actually been abusing the tax code.
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