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    re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Your rant would be fine if the IRS went after all these 501c organizations. It is an abuse of power when the IRS is used as a weapon against one political party.
    Hence why I said they didn't go far enough. They stopped early when they should have been "balls to the wall let's get them all."

    My problem isn't that they went after certain parties hard. My problem is that they didn't go after the rest hard. Giving potential PACs a hard as hell audit is something I LIKE. Not giving them ALL a hard as hell audit is something I don't.

    Yeah, going after just one political group is abuse of power, but considering how the 501(c)4 has been abused by PACs, it's about damn time the service started putting its boot down their throats. Now, it's time to put the boot down the other sides' throat.
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    re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Hence why I said they didn't go far enough. They stopped early when they should have been "balls to the wall let's get them all."

    My problem isn't that they went after certain parties hard. My problem is that they didn't go after the rest hard. Giving potential PACs a hard as hell audit is something I LIKE. Not giving them ALL a hard as hell audit is something I don't.

    Yeah, going after just one political group is abuse of power, but considering how the 501(c)4 has been abused by PACs, it's about damn time the service started putting its boot down their throats. Now, it's time to put the boot down the other sides' throat.
    OK we agree!

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    re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    OK we agree!
    You should look up some of the 501s on Guidestar. I'm amazed how the IRS hasn't gone after them. The abuse is apparent from their own tax forms. Ridiculous. Some of these look like they exist to pay their officers. Compensation to officers is OUTRAGEOUS. The entire 501 section is in dire need of reform after the past two elections.
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    re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    it's time to put the boot down the other sides' throat.
    have you MET barack obama?

    LOL!

    New information shows that top Internal Revenue Service officials had much earlier knowledge of audits that targeted conservative groups, raising questions about whether they gave Congress accurate answers when pressed by GOP lawmakers last year.

    A timeline released late Monday by Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch, the top Republican on the Finance Committee, revealed that then-IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman was briefed about the practice by the agency’s watchdog in May 2012.

    Shulman testified before Congress just two months earlier that the IRS wasn’t singling out conservative groups. The IRS said earlier on Monday that Shulman’s successor, Steve Miller, was also informed about the practice in May 2012.

    He was the deputy commissioner for services and enforcement at the time. Lawmakers wrote letters to Shulman in June and August 2012 seeking more information about how the agency was reviewing 501(c)(4) groups. Miller responded with a letter in September 2012 that didn’t mention anything about the program that has caused a political firestorm since it came to light on Friday.

    With Shulman out of office, attention is increasingly focusing on Miller. Some lawmakers, including Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) called for him to step down on Monday.

    “It is almost inconceivable to imagine that top officials at the IRS knew conservative groups were being targeted but chose to willfully mislead the committee’s investigation into this practice,” House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp said Monday.

    “This revelation goes against the very principles of free speech and liberty upon which this country was founded, and the blatant disregard for which the agency has treated Congress and the American taxpayer raises serious concerns about leadership at the IRS.”

    Miller is scheduled to testify before Camp’s panel on Friday.

    An IRS spokesperson declined to comment Monday night. Meanwhile, the agency’s initial defense that only low-level employees in Cincinnati were involved with the probing of conservative groups is also beginning to crumple.
    Questions grow over IRS response to GOP - Lauren French - POLITICO.com

    even if shulman DIDN'T know in march, 2012, when he testified, he is still just as obligated when he indeed DOES find out the truth two months later to amend his remarks

    and for miller to be sitting there all this time since then and not to come clean, indeed, to continue to deny and obfuscate and, well, lie...

    it is what it is

    very chicago

    surprised?

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    re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    have you MET barack obama?
    Once again, Prof can't post a relevant reply to the people he quotes.
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    re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Anything is possible but I don't buy that this was low or mid level employees doing this on their won. I think it is much more likely that someone like the chief of staff and the people that run the campaigning, after the massive defeats in the 2010 congressional elections, became alarmed of the tea pary and other conservative organizers and so they got the IRS to target them, to weaken them. Same with Benghazi. It is the leaders of the Obama campaign who wanted to paint the picture that the world loves us since Obama replaced Bush, and that since they got Bin Laden they had basically won the war on terrorism. This was going to be a major part of their campaign against Romney. That is why they were so adamant to make the video the reason in their talking points. It was spin ie lying. And to me it is extremely obvious. And I am no GOP supporter, I am a centrist with no political home or leanings to either party. It makes me mad how arrogant these people are. And how dangerous a cliff we are walking.

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    re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Interesting....it was a GWBush appointee in charge of the IRS when the agency began focusing on rightwing 501c-4's.......

    ....Then commissioner, Douglas Shulman, a George W. Bush appointee who stepped down in November, received a briefing from the TIGTA about what was happening in the Cincinnati office in May 2012, the aides said. His deputy and the agency’s current acting commissioner, Steven T. Miller, also learned about the matter that month, the aides said.
    Apparently, heads have already rolled. "Heads rolled"....funny old medieval expression that.


    This scandel reminds me of when the IRS singled out liberal 501c non profits, charities and Black churches just before the 2004 election. Where was the rightwing's outrage then?

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    re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Interesting....it was a GWBush appointee in charge of the IRS when the agency began focusing on rightwing 501c-4's.......



    Apparently, heads have already rolled. "Heads rolled"....funny old medieval expression that.


    This scandel reminds me of when the IRS singled out liberal 501c non profits, charities and Black churches just before the 2004 election. Where was the rightwing's outrage then?
    Congrats! Only page 2 before it is Bush's fault. So since you don't have anything relevant or negative to say about this kind of activity from the IRS, why don't you lay down the details of this scandel from just before the 2004 election. Apparently you thought it was relevant, in what way? Two wrongs make a right way? Did you find it to be something completely irrelevant and devoid of concern back then too? Let me guess in 2004 did that scandel remind you of something from 1993 that you found equally as benign too? My how relevant that all must be!

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    re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Quote Originally Posted by laska View Post
    Anything is possible but I don't buy that this was low or mid level employees doing this on their won. I think it is much more likely that someone like the chief of staff and the people that run the campaigning, after the massive defeats in the 2010 congressional elections, became alarmed of the tea pary and other conservative organizers and so they got the IRS to target them, to weaken them. Same with Benghazi. It is the leaders of the Obama campaign who wanted to paint the picture that the world loves us since Obama replaced Bush, and that since they got Bin Laden they had basically won the war on terrorism. This was going to be a major part of their campaign against Romney. That is why they were so adamant to make the video the reason in their talking points. It was spin ie lying. And to me it is extremely obvious.
    How come conservatives always make accusations before the fact instead of after the fact?

    And I am no GOP supporter, I am a centrist with no political home or leanings to either party.
    You sure could have fooled me.

    It makes me mad how arrogant these people are. And how dangerous a cliff we are walking.
    You're mad because "these people" aren't cow towing to your subjective reasoning and that make them "arrogant"? Really?

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    re: IRS officials in Washington were involved in investigation of conservative [W:29]

    Quote Originally Posted by GE View Post
    Congrats! Only page 2 before it is Bush's fault. So since you don't have anything relevant or negative to say about this kind of activity from the IRS, why don't you lay down the details of this scandal from just before the 2004 election. Apparently you thought it was relevant, in what way? Two wrongs make a right way? Did you find it to be something completely irrelevant and devoid of concern back then too? Let me guess in 2004 did that scandel remind you of something from 1993 that you found equally as benign too? My how relevant that all must be!
    Just stating the facts, ma'am. My goodness, you sure do rile easy. Yes, in light of the right wing's political witch hunt, I think it is totally relevant to point out their hypocrisy. So sorry if that bothers you.
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