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    Re: Bangladesh to allow unions for garment workers

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    Re: Bangladesh to allow unions for garment workers

    It's kind of ironic that cheap Western exports destroyed the native industries in India and China during the 19th century...............

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    Re: Bangladesh to allow unions for garment workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The problem is that cost of living in those countries isn't what it is in the US. As pretty much an ex-pat, I now fully understand how companies can get away with paying 10 bucks a day if that. In Mexico, you can buy a weeks groceries for a family of 4 for about $100USD. That means vegetables, milk, grains etc and still have a bit left over. You can't justify paying people much more than that if it doesn't cost more than that to live. So in countries in South-East Asia, there is really nothing to even point to the fact that you should probably pay your workers more. What do they need? iPads? No. They have a different social context than we do. So it's okay to pay them less.
    Living wages vs Consuming wages are two different things. I or anybody can live on $0 a year if they wanted too. Just means hunting, growing/farming your own food, thus tonnes of manual labor.

    What you fail to understand is the basic foundation of consumerism. Having employees in China or India making Ipads and paying then $10 a day (but actually much less then that) prevents them from becoming consumers so you have just cut your ability to sell to 2 billion people. It's due to this "advantages" in South-East Asia which has allowed the US and Europe to live of the teat of their labor. It allows for massive debt driven consumption in the 1st world. While those in the 3rd world toil for wages which would never seem them increase their living standards. The only way you prevent US or European jobs leaving is creating parity in wages and working conditions, first, then as a country becoming good at something.

    China is fantastic at assembly work. US is good in IT development along with Ireland.. French have their wines and the Germans are fantastic at a few things as well.. and since we are now a Global economy.. we have to view the world in those terms. But we can't when we shut out 2 billion of the possible consumer base.
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    Re: Bangladesh to allow unions for garment workers

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Living wages vs Consuming wages are two different things. I or anybody can live on $0 a year if they wanted too. Just means hunting, growing/farming your own food, thus tonnes of manual labor.

    What you fail to understand is the basic foundation of consumerism. Having employees in China or India making Ipads and paying then $10 a day (but actually much less then that) prevents them from becoming consumers so you have just cut your ability to sell to 2 billion people. It's due to this "advantages" in South-East Asia which has allowed the US and Europe to live of the teat of their labor. It allows for massive debt driven consumption in the 1st world. While those in the 3rd world toil for wages which would never seem them increase their living standards. The only way you prevent US or European jobs leaving is creating parity in wages and working conditions, first, then as a country becoming good at something.

    China is fantastic at assembly work. US is good in IT development along with Ireland.. French have their wines and the Germans are fantastic at a few things as well.. and since we are now a Global economy.. we have to view the world in those terms. But we can't when we shut out 2 billion of the possible consumer base.
    Even hunting and farming takes capital, where do you get the means to hunt and plow/harvest? Unless you can return the area you will occupy to a pre-modern era any push people hundreds of miles away, then prohibit their entry you are not going to live on 0 dollars a year.

    It has always caused me pause that health care and fuel don't follow the cheapest guy gets the business but kitchen appliances and T-Shirts do. I believe what goes around comes around, that as one nation profits from extremely low wages and cheap goods for export it does grow a consumer base. While the workers don't immediately jump up and Unionize they will eventually. Right now for many rural Chinese the factory barracks and noodle diet is far above what they had out in the sticks where hunting and farming held them at starvation levels. The multinational factory owners can find a new nation who's starving citizens would love the luxury of barracks and noodles but it is slash and burn subsistence. What would be justice of a sort is eventually it is our nation dreaming of those barracks and noodles!

    Now as far as what a nation is good at right now, I wouldn't set that in stone. that too has passed from nation to nation.

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    Re: Bangladesh to allow unions for garment workers

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Why not? Unions played a big role in improving workplace safety in America's history. Today, I think labor unions are just as focused on greed as they employers, they exist to simply try to get the biggest piece of the pie they can. But that has not always been true and there absolutely was a period in our history when unions were necessary.
    I would argue that Bangladesh is currently experiencing a similar period. Honestly, this isn't something the govt is equipped to deal with, so unions pushing a worker safety angle seems like the most realistic solution

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