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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Here is what i do not get with republicans. It seems clear at this moment that republicans in congress are receptive to their party's input. Some have started to cave on the NRA because of background checks being widely liked. Some have started to weaken on immigration due to more hispanic sympathies being around. There has been caving on things like new taxes, gay marriage, abortion and BC issues, and over all the republicans have shifted thier ciews against the present administration in every way. Not to mention the reps have had absolutely no problem in going after things like Obamacare, gun control legislation, drone use, and putting forth other bills. Where the hell is the proposal to get rid of the patriot act, and where the hell are the proposals from the republicans to make it so no administration can do this ever again?

    Here is the biggest part of the problem. I am not saying the republicans are the only part of the problem here. During the Bush years democrat supporters and liberals ran into a brick wall with getting their people to launch some sort of removal of the patriot act and getting things in place to prevent it. The supreme court is doing nothing on it. Now all of a sudden it is horrible to republicans and republican people in congress seem to be listening when their base cries loud enough. All they can do is blame Obama like if he goes away the patriot act leaves with him. Well, it doesn't leave with the asshole. Bush left and the patriot act is still there. Obama could be impeached tomorrow and we will still have the patriot act. Don't give us the BS that so and so party is any better than the other one if your party is sitting on it's ass and doing nothing. Obama is not the person at fault for it being here. He could be overturned. He cannot be said to be blocking bills to remove the patriot act when none are proposed. The best that can be said is he is not proposing bills on his own, and that is great but there are hundreds of members of the legislature who could be proposing removing the patriot act. If the voters sent a message that if you do not say yes to this you will lose your primaries and they will get a willing member of their party to do it then these people would have to listen. Instead the whining goes on about blaming Obama, or the dems from the republicans yet none of them ask why their people do not propose something to stop the patriot act. We already know the dems support the patriot act and will do nothing, because they have been being asked for the past decade to do something and haven't. Where are the hero republicans like rand Paul, Ted Cruz, or Mark Rubio to stop the evil patriot act? It seems to me they are a lot of talk and no action.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    From the AP article



    Trying to use the "blame b00sh" card in this instance to obfuscate and deflect real abuses of power is pathetic and desperate

    They can whine about B00sh all they want. Doesn't excuse this abuse of power.
    They will try to anyway. THeres no need to help them.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Is that a joke?
    No, the Patriot Act allows the government to search business records. So where is the illegality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    No. I read the other link to the National Journal and it is just some conservative ragsheet masquerading, very poorly, as something it obviously isn't...........................

    The Liberally used Logical Fallacy of the Day: No True Scotsman.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Here is what i do not get with republicans. It seems clear at this moment that republicans in congress are receptive to their party's input. Some have started to cave on the NRA because of background checks being widely liked. Some have started to weaken on immigration due to more hispanic sympathies being around. There has been caving on things like new taxes, gay marriage, abortion and BC issues, and over all the republicans have shifted thier ciews against the present administration in every way. Not to mention the reps have had absolutely no problem in going after things like Obamacare, gun control legislation, drone use, and putting forth other bills. Where the hell is the proposal to get rid of the patriot act, and where the hell are the proposals from the republicans to make it so no administration can do this ever again?

    Here is the biggest part of the problem. I am not saying the republicans are the only part of the problem here. During the Bush years democrat supporters and liberals ran into a brick wall with getting their people to launch some sort of removal of the patriot act and getting things in place to prevent it. The supreme court is doing nothing on it. Now all of a sudden it is horrible to republicans and republican people in congress seem to be listening when their base cries loud enough. All they can do is blame Obama like if he goes away the patriot act leaves with him. Well, it doesn't leave with the asshole. Bush left and the patriot act is still there. Obama could be impeached tomorrow and we will still have the patriot act. Don't give us the BS that so and so party is any better than the other one if your party is sitting on it's ass and doing nothing. Obama is not the person at fault for it being here. He could be overturned. He cannot be said to be blocking bills to remove the patriot act when none are proposed. The best that can be said is he is not proposing bills on his own, and that is great but there are hundreds of members of the legislature who could be proposing removing the patriot act. If the voters sent a message that if you do not say yes to this you will lose your primaries and they will get a willing member of their party to do it then these people would have to listen. Instead the whining goes on about blaming Obama, or the dems from the republicans yet none of them ask why their people do not propose something to stop the patriot act. We already know the dems support the patriot act and will do nothing, because they have been being asked for the past decade to do something and haven't. Where are the hero republicans like rand Paul, Ted Cruz, or Mark Rubio to stop the evil patriot act? It seems to me they are a lot of talk and no action.
    The ugly truth is that the wing of the Republican Party that wants to curtail government intrusion is the Tea Party.

    But you've already been brainwashed by the media to hate their guts cause they're racist bigots.

    Maybe you have more in common with the Tea Party than with Democrats. Does that blow your mind?

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The Liberally used Logical Fallacy of the Day: No True Scotsman.
    Yeah, but the Huff-Po piece.....was a Weeee Bit of gold and some Lucky Charm, at that end of the Rainbow.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Hmm double post.. strange
    It happens to all of us...you double click because your computer doesn't respond right or your connection just acts a little funny.
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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    No, the Patriot Act allows the government to search business records. So where is the illegality?
    No, the Patriot Act does not permit the government to search whatever business records it chooses.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah, but the Huff-Po piece.....was a Weeee Bit of gold and some Lucky Charm, at that end of the Rainbow.
    I just like the way the left wing posters here have tried to use this to argue that the press isn't liberal.... because, apparently, liberals wouldn't be opposed to gross incompetence in Benghazi, or criminal misconduct at the IRS, or a direct attack on the 1st Amendment.

    I remember reading a story a while ago about yet another study that showed the psychological differences in liberals and conservatives that many liberals posted as proof they are smarter. The study showed Liberals were, in general, very skilled at holding two naturally contradictory beliefs at the same time. They argued then that this was just proof that Liberals are great at compromising. In reality I think the study was spot on, but that ability really just manifests itself in threads like this were liberal posters can argue the evil slippery slope of the Patriot Act AND defend Obama for treating it like a slip-n-slide.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    The Bush Admin did stuff like this too, so it's really just a matter of both sides getting away with it now. That's how I see it, and that's the scary part.

    The Patriot Act needs to be repealed and unwarranted wire taps should be considered an abuse of our constitutional rights.

    It's big government nobody will defend except the politicians playing politics in DC.
    I don't believe there's any evidence yet that they did actual wiretapping, but in either case, neither is protected by the Patriot Act.

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