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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    erin burnett on cnn just said, this is "shocking and unprecedented"

    In all, the government seized the records for more than 20 separate telephone lines assigned to AP and its journalists in April and May of 2012. The exact number of journalists who used the phone lines during that period is unknown, but more than 100 journalists work in the offices where phone records were targeted, on a wide array of stories about government and other matters.

    In a letter of protest sent to Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday, AP President and Chief Executive Officer Gary Pruitt said the government sought and obtained information far beyond anything that could be justified by any specific investigation. He demanded the return of the phone records and destruction of all copies.

    "There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters. These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP's newsgathering operations and disclose information about AP's activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know," Pruitt said.
    what happened here, ap strongly suggests, is the doj was trying to find out who in the white house leaked to ap (in may of 2012, near the ubl anniversary, notes ap) a story about a thwarted bomber outta yemen

    the fbi questioned john brennan, the link says, who of course denies

    isn't brennan the guy that then defense secty robt gates turned to and said, "i've got a strategic communication approach for ya, john: shut the f*** up"

    Secretary Gates’s STFU Policy - ABC News

    no, it was tom donilon, not brennan

    but it was ABOUT brennan's blabbing that robert gates was bitching

    ah, what difference does it make, it was a long time ago...

    Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chairman of the investigative House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said on CNN, "They had an obligation to look for every other way to get it before they intruded on the freedom of the press."

    Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said in an emailed statement: "The burden is always on the government when they go after private information, especially information regarding the press or its confidential sources. ... On the face of it, I am concerned that the government may not have met that burden. I am very troubled by these allegations and want to hear the government's explanation."

    Rules published by the Justice Department require that subpoenas of records of news organizations must be personally approved by the attorney general, but it was not known if that happened in this case.

    The Justice Department lays out strict rules for efforts to get phone records from news organizations. A subpoena can be considered only after "all reasonable attempts" have been made to get the same information from other sources, the rules say. A subpoena to the media must be "as narrowly drawn as possible" and "should be directed at relevant information regarding a limited subject matter and should cover a reasonably limited time period," according to the rules.

    The reason for these constraints, the department says, is to avoid actions that "might impair the news gathering function" because the government recognizes that "freedom of the press can be no broader than the freedom of reporters to investigate and report the news."

    News organizations normally are notified in advance that the government wants phone records and then they enter into negotiations over the desired information. In this case, however, the government, in its letter to the AP, cited an exemption to those rules that holds that prior notification can be waived if such notice, in the exemption's wording, might "pose a substantial threat to the integrity of the investigation." It is unknown whether a judge or a grand jury signed off on the subpoenas.

    The AP delayed reporting the story at the request of government officials who said it would jeopardize national security. Once officials said those concerns were allayed, the AP disclosed the plot, though the Obama administration continued to request that the story be held until the administration could make an official announcement.
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    This is why I never supported the Patriot Act. Hopefully Americans will learn before this type if stuff gets worse.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
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    day, another scandal for the Obama admin. What will tomorrow bring?
    The Bush Admin did stuff like this too, so it's really just a matter of both sides getting away with it now. That's how I see it, and that's the scary part.

    The Patriot Act needs to be repealed and unwarranted wire taps should be considered an abuse of our constitutional rights.

    It's big government nobody will defend except the politicians playing politics in DC.

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    I just hope they are targeting the bad guys and not true whistleblower type reporters or something. Man.

    Although, I dont see how this could be a political game just to spy on some people because the amount of distrust in the public this will foment is a bigger issue that the other options they would have to entrap someone into isolation.
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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    This is why I never supported the Patriot Act. Hopefully Americans will learn before this type if stuff gets worse.
    Maybe if he blame Bush policies everybody can agree there might be some validity to it.
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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    It doesn't disprove anything of the sort

    If anything it strengthens the contention that even allies of this corrupt administration aren't immune from Fascist tactics such as this. Goebbels had the press in his back pocket. Do you think that stopped him from monitoring their activities? There is a clear pattern of behavior here. The Obama Administration has repeatedly abused it's powers and used government agencies at it's disposable to further it's political agenda. Whether it be harassing and intimidating the Tea Party and other groups with the IRS, to using the justice department to secretly tap press phone records. Clearly this administration doesn't believe there are limits to it's powers. With multiple scandals already raging and the lapdog press starting to ask serious questions to salvage what little credibility it has left, it wouldn't surprise me if this story was leaked to send a message to the press. "Don't get out of line"

    If B00sh did this you'd be screaming impeachment. Since it's Obama you're reduced to defending Gestapo tactics. Good luck with that.
    I think it's terrible, it's your lack of ability to reason that bothers me. You desperately want me to defend "Getapo tactics"because then you don't have to read what I did say.


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    Case in point.
    I would call it a ridiculous stalemate to be truthful with you.
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    I officially support impeaching people now. Just like I wish Bush was impeached..
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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I think it's terrible, it's your lack of ability to reason that bothers me. You desperately want me to defend "Getapo tactics"because then you don't have to read what I did say.
    I don't want you to do anything. You have offered nothing of substance and now you're whining about other people's "lack of ability to reason"? Doesn't pass the laugh test.

    It was your idea to come into this thread spewing nonsensical gibberish in an attempt to deflect/obfuscate.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    The media is kinda turning on obama already. I seen it on yahoo news and news abrod. Perhaps this is a juke to serve as an "obvious reason" for why they come down on him about Benghazi.

    So that some people will think, "Oh its just retaliating haters."
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