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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Move on was a 527, which is what these groups should have filed as.

    501(c)(4)'s are social welfare organizations like the AARP which are allowed to engage in politics, but they cannot be primarily political. These groups filed as 501(c)(4)s because this allows them to keep their donors secret. It's a clear abuse of the tax code. Basically, these groups should have been investigated and should not have been approved.

    However, the criteria used to determine if they should have been investigated should have been balanced. For example, any group with party in the name should have raised a red flag, be it Democrat, Republican, or Tea.
    These groups are promoting social welfare though.

    primarily engaged in promoting in some way the common good and general welfare of the community

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    He could, but the hypocrisy is worth noting. And many could just acknowledge that hypocrisy.
    Since I didnt post here then and I dont and didnt approve of many of the things Bush did, no hypocrisy here. Nice try though.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Since I didnt post here then and I dont and didnt approve of many of the things Bush did, no hypocrisy here. Nice try though.
    When you enter a conversation between others you should not assume the comment is about you alone, though I cannot verify nor deny your claim.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I thought you guys hated the AP. Overly "liberal" and what not.
    Ah, so, if you don't like a person or an organization then it's OK for the government to massively violate their civil rights? That seems to fit pretty well with the Obama administration's thinking in any case.

    If they'll do it to the AP then of course they'll do it to political opponents.

    The claim here is that there was some huge threat to the American people that involved a reporter leaking something. It's hard to imagine what that might be, but considering the multifold and various lies we've gotten from this administration on Benghazi, Gunwalker, IRS, etc., I find distrust of this administration's motives to be completely rational.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Ah, so, if you don't like a person or an organization then it's OK for the government to massively violate their civil rights? That seems to fit pretty well with the Obama administration's thinking in any case.

    If they'll do it to the AP then of course they'll do it to political opponents.

    The claim here is that there was some huge threat to the American people that involved a reporter leaking something. It's hard to imagine what that might be, but considering the multifold and various lies we've gotten from this administration on Benghazi, Gunwalker, IRS, etc., I find distrust of this administration's motives to be completely rational.
    Its amazing how the left has gone from "I may dislike what you say but Ill defend your right to say it" to "you guys did it too" in just 1 generation.

    No one should be targeted by governmental agencies for political activities so long as they stay nuetral and do not inflict harm on others in some way.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Its amazing how the left has gone from "I may dislike what you say but Ill defend your right to say it" to "you guys did it too" in just 1 generation.

    No one should be targeted by governmental agencies for political activities so long as they stay nuetral and do not inflict harm on others in some way.
    But its ok to target people if they take a position?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    But its ok to target people if they take a position?
    By definition you do not retain tax exempt status if you advocate a party or a member of a party so you dont target them but you dont allow them to retain tax exempt either.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Move on was a 527, which is what these groups should have filed as.

    501(c)(4)'s are social welfare organizations like the AARP which are allowed to engage in politics, but they cannot be primarily political. These groups filed as 501(c)(4)s because this allows them to keep their donors secret. It's a clear abuse of the tax code. Basically, these groups should have been investigated and should not have been approved.

    However, the criteria used to determine if they should have been investigated should have been balanced. For example, any group with party in the name should have raised a red flag, be it Democrat, Republican, or Tea.
    Oddly, groups that suggested a progressive or liberal lean didn't throw up a red flag.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    https://twitter.com/intent/user?scre...w_p=tweetembed

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    AG Holder says he did not inform WH he recused himself in @ap case, did not do so in writing and cannot say when he did so.
    Seems completely legit.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Eric Holder:
    "This was a very serious — a very serious leak, a very, very serious leak. I’ve been a prosecutor since 1976 and I have to say that this is among — if not the most serious, it is within the top two or three most serious leaks that I’ve ever seen. It put the American people at risk. And that is not hyperbole. It put the American people at risk."

    <pause>

    "Other than that, I really don't know know a thing about it."
    Last edited by Taylor; 05-15-13 at 04:04 PM.

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