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    The IRS wants YOU

    That is some disturbing BS. Why would the IRS need to discuss someone's Facebook posts, or ask about what they "thought" about things? Why would they ask about FUTURE donations? Why would they ask for a roll of members?

    Still feel good about where you send your taxes every year?

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I hope you're right, and I hope this brings down the Obama administration. It's been a long time coming.
    go to RealClearPolitics and read todays headlines

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    Even the most Obama worshiping koolAid drinking media outlets are turning on him

    Hell even MSNBC is starting to show dissatisfaction with Obama
    If Obama loses MSNBC he is toast. he should go ahead and start packing

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Or he could discuss the topic. I know, I know. Thats hard.
    He could, but the hypocrisy is worth noting. And many could just acknowledge that hypocrisy.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The IRS wants YOU

    That is some disturbing BS. Why would the IRS need to discuss someone's Facebook posts, or ask about what they "thought" about things? Why would they ask about FUTURE donations? Why would they ask for a roll of members?

    Still feel good about where you send your taxes every year?
    Because these were political organizations which should have been filed as non-profit 527's. But instead these groups filed as social welfare 501(c)(4)s.

    By law, social welfare groups cannot be primarily engaged in politics. This was the primary purpose of most of these groups. The reason they didn't file as 527's is so that they could keep their donors secret. We're looking at a gigantic money laundering effort by groups (both left and right) to skirt campaign finance laws. Remember, these groups all had the option to file as 527 PACs. Had they done so, they would have quickly obtained tax exempt status without any additional investigation because they were complying with the law.

    We have a situation in which an office that was used to handling 1200 501(c)(4) applications a year, was suddenly swamped with 3400+ in the aftermath of Citizens United. Most, but not all of these applications were filed by conservative leaning groups and these applications were processed by (I believe) one to three individuals.

    The IRS was 100% wrong to single out groups with the name of tea party, but they were right to investigate these groups. I think the biggest scandal here is that they did not investigate more groups. Any organization with party in their name should almost certainly be a 527, not a 501(c)(4); be it Democratic Party, Republican Party, or Tea Party.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post

    The IRS was 100% wrong to single out groups with the name of tea party, but they were right to investigate these groups. I think the biggest scandal here is that they did not investigate more groups. Any organization with party in their name should almost certainly be a 527, not a 501(c)(4); be it Democratic Party, Republican Party, or Tea Party.
    Stop right there: The IRS was 100% wrong to single out groups.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Don't you mean "by the Justice Department?"

    LOL !! Never has there been a more compartmentalized administration.

    Look some of us are NOT Obama supporters, so we're not susceptable to his administrations BULL SH**.

    When he or Jay Carney is up there claiming isolation from these scandals, they are talking to YOU guys.

    Not the rest of us, who are fully aware that thses scandals all share something in common.

    A direct link back to his Chicago political roots.

    Go ahead, believe his lies, but don't expect objective adequately intelligent Americans to do the same.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I hope you're right, and I hope this
    brings down the Obama
    administration. It's been a long time coming.
    The IRS scandal was released, I think as planned, as a stop gap if ever the Benghazi scandal really got legs.

    NOW the "media" can claim objectivity and hound the administration while Obama can claim isolation.

    Benghazi was a direct assault on Hillary ( as it should have been ) and Obama.

    It was clear there were questions they could not answer, and it was very difficult to prove that they simply relied on nameless Govt officials.

    The IRS scandal should be taken as a seperate scandal with the majority of the attention placed on Benghazi.

    I think the "apology/lie" was orchestrated to be released when it was apparent they no longer could defend their position on Benghazi.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Stop right there: The IRS was 100% wrong to single out groups.
    Are you trying to argue that Tea Party groups are predominantly non-political?

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Are you trying to argue that Tea Party groups are predominantly non-political?
    What does that matter? Move-on-dot-org is a far left wing political group with IRS tax exempt status
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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Are you trying to argue that Tea Party groups are predominantly non-political?
    I'm not trying to argue about any particular group at all. The IRS has no business being partisan, irrespective of administration and party. It has no business targeting any group on its little "enemies list," and that seems to be the case here.

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