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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Sorry but that is nothing but an excuse.. the same old excuse every right/left wing government has used in every abuse of power case ever. While we dont know all the information yet, if the DOJ obtained this information without a warrant, then it is wrong.. regardless of who is in office. If we dont live by the basic rules of law, then the enemy has won.. pure and simple. If we start being afraid of our own shadows and bending/breaking the basic principles of our democracy (read Patriot Act and Gitmo) then we are no better than the very people we are fighting.
    I agree there should be a honest investigation, but I fear we will only get another partisan circus.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    That is obviously Obama...but do you understand the issue with Martial law to any Democrat? ALL politicians would lose their power. Democrats wouldn't like that except those in the Obama administration. You could count on martial law being an idiotic idea that would never occur short of some form of horrific natural disaster. The military isn't exactly "PRO left wing" either.
    It wouldn't matter Democrats are so far onto the tank they are so drunk on his KoolAid they wouldn't give a dam as long it benefits Obama, Democrats would not care who or what rights Obama violates even if it is them he violates as long as it benefit Obama and his agenda

    Obama can get caught stealing money from a churches collection plate. there could be a tape and a dozen witnesses and democrats would say that those witnesses are not telling the truth they are all republicans and the tape was edited. if that didn't work they would blame the usher for handing him the collection plate

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I agree there should be a honest investigation, but I fear we will only get another partisan circus.
    Easy solution to that would be for Democrats to step up and start the investigation. It becomes a partisan circus because only one party becomes interested in finding out the truth.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I agree there should be a honest investigation, but I fear we will only get another partisan circus.
    Any investigation that is unfavorable to Obama would be labeled as a partisan circus

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Easy solution to that would be for Democrats to step up and start the investigation. It becomes a partisan circus because only one party becomes interested in finding out the truth.
    LoL you cant be for real
    asking democrats to investigate anything that involves Obama or his administration would be the same as allowing students to grade their own school work

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    LoL you cant be for real
    asking democrats to investigate anything that involves Obama or his administration would be the same as allowing students to grade their own school work
    Obama is drunk with power. This is Chicago-style politics at its ugliest.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I agree there should be a honest investigation, but I fear we will only get another partisan circus.
    Of course that is how US politics works as it keeps the system going and at its status quo.
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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Im just confused because your posting history indicates to me that you dont support basic rule of law except when the issue is one you like.
    Oh?

    For example support for any number of social programs which are not in the constitution.
    Considering the US constitution is pretty pathetic on some points, and is so open to interpretation.. then /shrug. Slavery is also allowed in the Constitution.. want to bring that back? How about allowing women to vote?
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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    What basic principle? Following the rule and principles of law and our democracies? Of course not. I disagree with people who break the prinicples for political gain ... like with GITMO, Patriot Act and yes the IRS scandal (up to a point since they did not actually break the law or principles) and if proven .. this AP story.

    But what I hate the most are the hypocrites on the right who are now sniffing blood but let Bush get away with much worse...
    What it shows is that both parties are corrupt. Indeed, our 2 party system is intellectually and morally bankrupt.

    As to the AP scandal now developing, it demonstrates the complicity of the telecom guys in opening their files to the government without objection. Regards the MSM, there is some measure of divine retribution, almost comical, as those government lapdogs are now being surveilled as is the ordinary citizen.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Oh?



    Considering the US constitution is pretty pathetic on some points, and is so open to interpretation.. then /shrug. Slavery is also allowed in the Constitution.. want to bring that back? How about allowing women to vote?
    That just proves my point. We passed laws to protect those rights. Where is the constitutional amendment authorizing the govt to pay for healthcare? Just look at your first reponse to this thread

    Pretty much the same crap that went on under Bush... difference is that was your guy.
    Wheres your vigorous defense of democracy? You applaud people for defending democracy when democracy supports your ideology.

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