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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    At any rate, I find it wholly ironic that the right now complains about the Patriot Act after all the years they championed it. What changed?
    The only complaints concerning the Patriot Act I'm hearing is how Liberals still fail to understand it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    [COLOR="#0000FF"]I wasn't aware that the government was obliged to share their evidence, under the Patriot Act, with you?
    They're not, which is why we wouldn't be talking about this if this were an investigation concerning terrorism under the Patriot Act. The DOJ wouldn't have sent the AP a letter saying "Guess what? We subpoenaed your phone records!"

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    I believe this was different in that it was done in secrecy, but in accordance with the Patriot Act.
    Not really sure there, as the DOJ letter to the AP specifically references that they got a subpoena in accordance with their strict rules. That puts it more in line with the existing DOJ powers, of which apparently have never been used, than the Patriot Act.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    I'm curious - does anyone know - during the whole congressional investigation into who leaked Valerie Plame's identity/CIA status to the media, did the Bush administration's Justice Department subpoena the phone records of the New York Times and other news agencies? It seems to be a similar circumstance and would clear up for me the suggestion that "Republican admininstrations do the same thing" and the right is being hypocritical because it's Obama.
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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Not really sure there, as the DOJ letter to the AP specifically references that they got a subpoena in accordance with their strict rules. That puts it more in line with the existing DOJ powers, of which apparently have never been used, than the Patriot Act.
    Yes, although it's not that the powers haven't been used, it's that they haven't been used on this scale - it's supposed to be a targeted, focused search. This was two months of phone records involving up to 100 or more journalists.
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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm curious - does anyone know - during the whole congressional investigation into who leaked Valerie Plame's identity/CIA status to the media, did the Bush administration's Justice Department subpoena the phone records of the New York Times and other news agencies? It seems to be a similar circumstance and would clear up for me the suggestion that "Republican admininstrations do the same thing" and the right is being hypocritical because it's Obama.
    The Bush admin was notoriously lax concerning leaks of classified information. The Obama admin had been doing a much better job following up on this sort of thing (EDIT: See quote below) - but I think most would agree that this goes a bit too far.

    The Obama administration has aggressively investigated disclosures of classified information to the media and has brought six cases against people suspected of providing classified information, more than under all previous presidents combined.
    (From the AP story)
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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm curious - does anyone know - during the whole congressional investigation into who leaked Valerie Plame's identity/CIA status to the media, did the Bush administration's Justice Department subpoena the phone records of the New York Times and other news agencies? It seems to be a similar circumstance and would clear up for me the suggestion that "Republican admininstrations do the same thing" and the right is being hypocritical because it's Obama.
    John, I haven't been able to find one, which doesn't mean all that much. They could have. I did, however, find that Holder issued one to the Times.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    This obama white house seems to act a little more fascist each and every day, whats next martial law?

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe


    Alright, this getting downright scary. The IRS, the Feds, the cover-up of Benghazi......what in the hell is going on?
    The Justice Dept is investigating security leaks, Think Progress has the story:

    Why The Department Of Justice Is Going After The Associated Press' Records | ThinkProgress

    Last year, the Associated Press reported that an Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) plothad been foiled, thanks to a timely intervention on the part of the United States. The plan, according to the AP’s March 2012 story, involved an upgrade of the “underwear bomb” used in the failed Christmas Day 2009 bomb plot that was meant to take down a passenger airplane in Detroit, MI.
    Why that drew the attention of the Justice Department, however, is that the CIA was the one who foiled the plot, which the AP report made clear:

    The FBI is examining the latest bomb to see whether it could have passed through airport security and brought down an airplane, officials said. They said the device did not contain metal, meaning it probably could have passed through an airport metal detector. But it was not clear whether new body scanners used in many airports would have detected it.

    The would-be suicide bomber, based in Yemen, had not yet picked a target or bought a plane ticket when the CIA stepped in and seized the bomb, officials said. It’s not immediately clear what happened to the alleged bomber.

    AP learned of the plot a week before publishing, but “agreed to White House and CIA requests not to publish it immediately” due to national security concerns. But, by reporting the CIA’s involvement in foiling the plot, they put AQAP on notice that the CIA had a window into their activities. The AP’s reporting also led to other stories involving an operative in place within AQAP, and details of the operations he was involved in. That operative, it was feared, would be exposed and targeted by AQAP as retribution for siding with the United States.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No I am not..it is fake outrage by most on the right.... that is what I am saying.
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    I doubt it is fake outrage. It is a phenomenon that is NOT unique to any particular side of the political spectrum: hypocrisy.

    isten either you are totally against targeting journalists regardless of nationality and against warrantless wiretapping or you are for it.. regardless who is in power.
    Again hypocrisy is a funny thing. I am against it, but it wasn't until I got a collegiate education and started getting interested in the law and political discussion that I myself understood the ramifications of the Patriot Act. I was in 7th Grade when they signed the Patriot Act into law. Hardly a "politically knowledgeable" Republican at that time. I know better now. I know that more government control is worse.

    And in this case, many who are going after Obama and his administration for this and other stuff, were defending the Bush administration for similar or worse issues of abuse of power and to this day (even in this thread) deny that the Bush administration did not do similar illegalities, when it is very clear that they did.
    I wasn't. I couldn't vote. I was also uneducated in the world of politics. Looking back now though...I will say that Bush was in a state of War...and we as a nation were switching from a world of conventional warfare, cold war build up/espionage, and severely behind in our understanding of Islamic terrorism and really terrorism in general. It isn't an excuse...but an explanation. What is the Obama Administration's explanation for such acts?

    Now, like I said... if someone in the Obama administration did this to the AP journalists and did it without a legal warrant, then heads should roll. But so far, all I have seen is more accusations by the same idiots running the "Bengahzi scandal" witch hunt, and their credibility is only slight above Hamas and Hizbollah.
    As far as I can tell so far there is no evidence of a warrant. That is a HUGE violation of the first. Unacceptable. At least the Bush Administration changed the law so they didn't need warrants. Not kosher...but there is a difference here.
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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Its like their just checking off violating of the Bill of Rights.

    violate freedom of speech by targeting conservative groups for regulation - check
    violate freedom of religion by forcing religious institutions to pay for birth control - check
    violate freedom of the press by investigating AP phone records - check
    violate right to bear arms by trying to pass gun control - check

    Will they killing americans without due process next? Oh wait...
    They will not force me to suffer a quartered soldier in my home! They can have all the other amendments but this one is where I draw my line in the sand!
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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