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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    There is nothing more spiteful and vengeful than a liberal scorned. Let's see how America reacts.
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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Doesn't appear that this power originated with the Patriot Act. All it requires is AG approval.

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    I believe you're barking up the wrong tree here. That's about wiretaps. The justice department seized phone records. That's not the same thing as a wiretap. Seizing records from a business without a court order was made legal under provisions of the Patriot Act.

    Now don't get me wrong, I don't like this either, but the right can't have it both ways. You can't be in favor of laws only when a Republican is in power; but then against the very same laws when it's a Democrat in office.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Additionally, the specific law governing AG-only approved wiretaps requires that they do not last longer than 7 days. If it went on for two months, as reported, then he is going to get fired.

    50 USC 1805 - Issuance of order | Title 50 - War and National Defense | U.S. Code | LII / Legal Information Institute
    What I read was that they seized phone records. You have a news article that they wiretapped the press?

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Doesn't appear that this power originated with the Patriot Act. All it requires is AG approval.

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    Yeah, doesn't have anything to do with the Patriot Act. I don't think any wiretapping occurred - they subpoenaed phone records under USAM 9-13.400:

    http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/fo...9/crm00299.pdf

    What they did seems to go beyond what's supposed to be "narrowly fashioned to obtain the necessary information in a minimally intrusive and burdensome manner." I'd also like to see the "explanation as to how the information sought to be subpoenaed is essential to the investigation or prosecution."

    We do know for sure that this had to be authorized by Eric Holder.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    LOL - you never know, maybe these "terrorist sources" used by the AP said the word "Constitution" at some point - or mentioned that they like to drink tea. In either case that could have raised a major red flag for the Obama admin.
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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    I believe you're barking up the wrong tree here. That's about wiretaps. The justice department seized phone records. That's not the same thing as a wiretap. Seizing records from a business without a court order was made legal under provisions of the Patriot Act.

    Now don't get me wrong, I don't like this either, but the right can't have it both ways. You can't be in favor of laws only when a Republican is in power; but then against the very same laws when it's a Democrat in office.

    You made your bed.......
    Why are you typing in blue? Do you know how annoying that is?

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    I believe you're barking up the wrong tree here. That's about wiretaps. The justice department seized phone records. That's not the same thing as a wiretap. Seizing records from a business without a court order was made legal under provisions of the Patriot Act.

    Now don't get me wrong, I don't like this either, but the right can't have it both ways. You can't be in favor of laws only when a Republican is in power; but then against the very same laws when it's a Democrat in office.

    You made your bed.......
    Ah, thought it was wiretaps, my bad.

    Here is the law for Subpoenas of news organizations. 28 C.F.R. 50.10 Put on the books in 1980, and no changes since.

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-201...2-sec50-10.pdf

    Link to relevant DOJ rules that reference the law

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Why are you typing in blue? Do you know how annoying that is?
    A better question is why do you do things which annoy you? If it annoys you -- don't read my posts. I assure you, I won't be upset.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Seizing records from a business without a court order was made legal under provisions of the Patriot Act.
    No, not in this case. Even if it were legal and they had actually done this under the Patriot Act we wouldn't be talking about it because we wouldn't know about it.

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    Re: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Ah, thought it was wiretaps, my bad.

    Here is the law for Subpoenas of news organizations. 28 C.F.R. 50.10 Put on the books in 1980, and no changes since.

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-201...2-sec50-10.pdf

    Link to relevant DOJ rules that reference the law

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    I believe this was different in that it was done in secrecy, but in accordance with the Patriot Act.

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