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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    the nonsensical illogical unsupportable fear over SSM is hilarious.

    The strawmen and appeals to emotions and fallacy never stop amazing me. Its hilarious what fear, bigotry and or simple biased can make a person belief in or make them think that what they are saying is even the least bit logical or reality based.

    All the made up stories and fantasies dont matter to objective people or equality.
    My brother who labels himself as "not exactly gay friendly" gets the equality part of it and laughs at all the nonsense he hears and reads since being "not exactly gay friendly" makes people want to tell them way they arent gay friendly either. lol

    Equality is coming and its long over due, you dont have to LIKE it. just like people still dont "like" minority rights, womans rights and interracial marriage but its coming and it will be a great day for amercia to right ONE of its wrongs, grant equality and suppress discrimination once again.

    Whether i like homosexuality or not equality is coming and that makes me proud and happy for my fellow americans because thats what america is about.
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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    wow what will that make? 13 states?

    awesome I hope they pass it. Its coming regardless but its nice for some states to be ahead of the curve.
    Passed yesterday. Gov. Dayton will sign this afternoon. They're saying that in August, it will happen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Passed yesterday. Gov. Dayton will sign this afternoon. They're saying that in August, it will happen.
    Thats AWESOME!

    i think NH is the same way everything is passed but takes effect in Aug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    wow what will that make? 13 states?

    awesome I hope they pass it. Its coming regardless but its nice for some states to be ahead of the curve.
    12, actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    12, actually.
    correct 12 and DC!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    correct 12 and DC!
    And California likely to rejoin the ranks at #13 once the Prop 8 case resolves in June. Illinois might also pass a bill this year.

    After that it will slow down a bit I think, barring an unlikely sweeping decision by SCOTUS. Most of the other states have roadblocks in the form of GOP legislatures or governors, constitutional amendments, etc, that are harder to get rid of. We'll probably see a few more from the 2014 elections via ballot measures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And California likely to rejoin the ranks at #13 once the Prop 8 case resolves in June. Illinois might also pass a bill this year.

    After that it will slow down a bit I think, barring an unlikely sweeping decision by SCOTUS. Most of the other states have roadblocks in the form of GOP legislatures or governors, constitutional amendments, etc, that are harder to get rid of. We'll probably see a few more from the 2014 elections via ballot measures.
    yep

    I believe SCOTUS will rule on prop 8 and equal rights is restored back in california allowing SSM.
    I dont think it will be a general sweeping blanket rule stating SSM is a right foring all states to immediately grant equal rights (eventhough thats what should happen and i want to happen)

    I think it will be a more local ruling about California

    BUT depending on the verbiage i dont think it matters though becuase if they rule it was wrong for California to ban it based on equality and the constitution a very similar effect will happen.

    The irony of it is that all the states that banned SSM actually make it EASIER for it to be overturned because all one has to do is challenge that ban.

    Thats HILARIOUS to me that them banning it could actually help establish it
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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And California likely to rejoin the ranks at #13 once the Prop 8 case resolves in June. Illinois might also pass a bill this year.

    After that it will slow down a bit I think, barring an unlikely sweeping decision by SCOTUS. Most of the other states have roadblocks in the form of GOP legislatures or governors, constitutional amendments, etc, that are harder to get rid of. We'll probably see a few more from the 2014 elections via ballot measures.
    There are still a few states that do not have any constitutional bans. New Jersey, Pennsylvania, W. Virginia (this one surprised me), New Mexico (actually no laws address it at all in this state), Wyoming, Hawaii, and Indiana.

    New Jersey is working on getting enough support in its legislature to overturn Christie's veto. The legislature already passed it once.

    There are also a few states pushing through legislation to have their people vote to repeal their constitutional amendments in either 2014 or 2016, Michigan and Nevada are two. Oregon is another (although I think they're trying to push for something sooner?). Oh, and it looks like Colorado may also push to repeal its amendment next year too.

    I do find it very interesting that many of those states that already have civil unions or some other form of recognition for same sex couples are among the first to just legalize same sex marriage. It shows that it is a waste of money to legalize other unions for same sex couples because they will basically be expensive stepping stones to simply allowing same sex couples marriage.
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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There are still a few states that do not have any constitutional bans. New Jersey, Pennsylvania, W. Virginia (this one surprised me), New Mexico (actually no laws address it at all in this state), Wyoming, Hawaii, and Indiana.

    New Jersey is working on getting enough support in its legislature to overturn Christie's veto. The legislature already passed it once.

    There are also a few states pushing through legislation to have their people vote to repeal their constitutional amendments in either 2014 or 2016, Michigan and Nevada are two. Oregon is another (although I think they're trying to push for something sooner?). Oh, and it looks like Colorado may also push to repeal its amendment next year too.

    I do find it very interesting that many of those states that already have civil unions or some other form of recognition for same sex couples are among the first to just legalize same sex marriage. It shows that it is a waste of money to legalize other unions for same sex couples because they will basically be expensive stepping stones to simply allowing same sex couples marriage.
    Yeah, turns out people aren't willing to accept Separate But Equal. If only there were some way that could have been predicted! A historical precedent, perhaps.
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