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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think it's dangerous to remove people's rights to vote on issues or remove their representation and try and circumvent lawful changes to laws because politicians don't want that to happen.
    I believe the only way to protect the rights of all people, especially minorities, is to have a constitutional protection that is enforced by a judicial body. Without someone to enforce the rights guaranteed by the Constitution, then they mean very little.


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    If I had a dollar for every time the "inter-racial marriage" straw man gets flung around I could probably donate enough to DP to keep it running for the year.

    Can't discriminate based on religion or race, it's lawful to define marriage as one man one woman nor is that unlawful gender discrimination to say a woman cannot be a husband or man a wife.
    You can't discriminate based on sex/gender either. And yes, it is gender discrimination. A man cannot enter into a marriage contract with a man, but a woman can. Gender/sex discrimination. A woman cannot enter into a marriage with a woman, but a man can. Gender/sex discrimination. A woman is not trying to be a "husband", nor is a man trying to be a "wife" when it comes to same sex marriages. They are simply trying to be spouses to someone of the same gender.


    Gender discrimination is any unequal treatment based on gender and may also be referred to as sexism. Characteristics of gender discrimination are any situation where a person shows a prejudice towards another that would not occur had they been the opposite sex.

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    Maybe a mathematical equation will help.

    In America, a woman and a man under our marriage laws are equal.

    M = W , where M is man and W is woman

    Marriage = M + W in all US laws now

    But since we have established in US law that M = W, then you can substitute M for W or W for M in the marriage equation and not change the truth of the equation.

    So now Marriage = M + M is true and Marriage = W + W is true because we know that M is legally equal to W.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    One possible zombie sighted. Might have been a drunk.
    Sorry, that was me...I wasn't celebrating or anything, I was just drunk. The beer went well with the Porterhouse steak and baked potato I had for dinner.


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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    I am thinking the ultimate test for the 'will of the people' crowd would be to subject their own marriage to a vote. For example, a vote to ban hicup or digsbe specifically from marrying. Maybe then they will understand the kind of hate they are advocating.

    It's not hate you know nothing. It's conservativism, meaning, we generally prefer to keep what works, preserving the virtue of traditional marriage, and it doesn't begin nor end at same sex marriage either. Most conservatives I know would like to do something about how our culture has become so hyper-sexualized, gender neutralized, over-worked, wussified, not to mention that SSM adds to the pile of stinking goo that our society is trending towards, and I don't like it, and frankly, I see a culture that in 50 years will resemble nothing like the culture my parents grew up in. I'm not talking about keeping the "Leave it to Beaver" society; although add in technology and there are a lot of things to admire about those days - no, what I am advocating is a return to common decency, self-respect, honor, pride, and integrity. Core values, that most would strive for; I wish for a return where shame was a powerful deterrent to misbehavior. Sadly, our politicians, social media, media, and entertainment have gone in another direction where young men and women feel tremendous pressure to fit in to the stereotype. They've become overtly sensitive narcissists needing to be coddled at every turn by an all too willing liberal agenda. Unfortunately, liberals are over-representative in the areas where our young minds are at the most vulnerability, and it has been a failure of conservatives to not recognize the trends in time to prevent them.

    A lot of us are waking up, maybe it's too late to do anything about the current generation, but inserting ourselves into the many forms of outlets and positions of authority over our younger citizens with a concentrated effort to instill our values over the next few decades might reverse the trends and save us form ourselves, or more aptly; save us from liberals!


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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Sorry, that was me...I wasn't celebrating or anything, I was just drunk. The beer went well with the Porterhouse steak and baked potato I had for dinner.
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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    A lot of us are waking up, maybe it's too late to do anything about the current generation, but inserting ourselves into the many forms of outlets and positions of authority over our younger citizens with a concentrated effort to instill our values over the next few decades might reverse the trends and save us form ourselves, or more aptly; save us from liberals!


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    Shouldn't future generations decide for themselves what values they wish to have?
    Conservatives have a habit of equating "values" with "only Christians can make the rules for everyone else".

    Societies change over time,and trying to keep is static may cause more harm than letting it change naturally.
    If there is a problem with THIS generation,the previous generation need to look in the mirror themselves and see why that is.

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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Shouldn't future generations decide for themselves what values they wish to have?
    Conservatives have a habit of equating "values" with "only Christians can make the rules for everyone else".

    Societies change over time,and trying to keep is static may cause more harm than letting it change naturally.
    If there is a problem with THIS generation,the previous generation need to look in the mirror themselves and see why that is.

    I'm not a Christian, so that sort of blows a whole in your argument. I'm not even remotely religious so what now? One does not need to be religious to see our culture the way it has become and have a sour taste in their mouths. You're whole argument that past generations dictates the path of future generations, kind of makes my point.


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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I'm not a Christian,
    That's on you.Plenty of conservatives are Christian,though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    so that sort of blows a whole in your argument.I'm not even remotely religious so what now?
    Actually,it doesn't. If you are not one of "those" conservatives I am talking about,then good for you .

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    One does not need to be religious to see our culture the way it has become and have a sour taste in their mouths.
    I hope you are speaking only for yourself.And if there is a sour taste in your mouth,may I suggest Listerine and let this current and future generation decide for themselves the direction they want to take "culture".
    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post

    You're whole argument that past generations dictates the path of future generations, kind of makes my point.
    The role of past generations is to impart knowledge and wisdom onto future generations to help guide them,not rule them with an iron fist like a dictator.
    Current and future generations have the right to forge their own paths,whether you like it or not.

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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    That's on you.Plenty of conservatives are Christian,though.
    Plenty of Liberal democrats are Christian? Not seeing the connection?


    Actually,it doesn't. If you are not one of "those" conservatives I am talking about,then good for you .

    What an odd thing to say? Do you have something against God fearing Christians or something? Aren't they part of our generation? Don't they have a voice?



    I hope you are speaking only for yourself.And if there is a sour taste in your mouth,may I suggest Listerine and let this current and future generation decide for themselves the direction they want to take "culture".

    Um, I AM one of this current generations residents, and I have a voice, and I'm using it. Like you I suppose, JUST like you.



    The role of past generations is to impart knowledge and wisdom onto future generations to help guide them,not rule them with an iron fist like a dictator.
    Current and future generations have the right to forge their own paths,whether you like it or not.

    I'm not sure you fully grasp the contradiction you're spewing? You DO realize that we are PART of the current generation, right?


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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Same-sex marriage almost a reality in Minnesota | Minnesota Public Radio News

    It has already passed the House. Assuming it passes here (which is believed likely), the Gov said he will sign it, making gay marriage legal in Minnesota.
    wow what will that make? 13 states?

    awesome I hope they pass it. Its coming regardless but its nice for some states to be ahead of the curve.
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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    If you're actually concerned about out of wedlock childbirths, the obvious upside to SSM is more married couples raising children. Also, y'know, not discriminating against people, but that's clearly not much of a priority for you.
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