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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Why would they need to be married? Moreover, despite the fact that heterosexual marriages are at an all time high in divorce, we already know that homosexual relationships are even more at risk of dissolving within the first 5 years. No upside, and discriminating isn't a convincing argument coming from your side. We ALL discriminate buddy, whether it makes you feel comfortable or not admitting that is not my cause.
    In your last post you voiced concern that more people were having children out of wedlock, and now you claim not to care about whether or not people are getting married? That makes zero sense. And no, we don't know that homosexual relationships are more at risk of dissolving within the first five years, because currently there's no relationship parity federally, and those states that have legalized SSM have done so too recently for solid info to exist about that. Way to run with the bad assumptions, though.

    And whether or not the government discriminates on the basis of gender/sexual orientation with respect to a fundamental right is a big deal. Reducing such a thing is inherently desirable. I'm not sure what that has to do either with my comfort or your admission of discriminatory behavior.

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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    By the way, it passed the Senate vote (not a surprise to most I'm sure), 37-30. In a few days, after the governor signs the bill, it will make 12 states.
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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Depends on what you mean by wrong side. You're entitled to your opinion as am I, but if it isn't self evident to you what constitutes the most successful family type in the history of the Earth and encompassing all species that lives and has ever lived, then apparently it isn't as self evident.


    By the way... In this context and your apparent refusal to accept what is self evident, I'd say you're the one being narrow minded. Do you feel any guilt? Is it why you're so open to the idea of destroying marriage further? In Sweden a once vibrant family culture, the intact families are in the minority already. In 10 YEARS, they have become the minority in favor of out of wedlock child births.


    SSM is only a reason to avoid such a future for ourselves. Tell me, what is the upside to gay marriage?

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    Actually, homosexuals and "two spirits" raising children had always been quite common in a lot of cultures. Modern studies on gay parents in the west show their children are just as well adjusted as those with straight parents. Wrong again.

    And I don't care about marriage. I care about stable homes. Marriage doesn't guarantee a stable home. Sweden has a lot fewer broken families than we do.
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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    By the way, it passed the Senate vote (not a surprise to most I'm sure), 37-30. In a few days, after the governor signs the bill, it will make 12 states.
    Bust out the champagne, MN.

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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think it's dangerous to remove people's rights to vote on issues or remove their representation and try and circumvent lawful changes to laws because politicians don't want that to happen.



    If I had a dollar for every time the "inter-racial marriage" straw man gets flung around I could probably donate enough to DP to keep it running for the year.

    Can't discriminate based on religion or race, it's lawful to define marriage as one man one woman nor is that unlawful gender discrimination to say a woman cannot be a husband or man a wife.
    Wouldn't you agree that gender is also a protected classification?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    The ghost of Jack Kevorkian for President's Physician: 2016

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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    Gaypocalypse Report:
    Gay marriage has completed 66% of the process towards legalization, yet oddly I am only 3% more gay than before. Being within the margin of error, I cannot identify a statistically significant trend at this time.
    No observed radical changes in atmospheric temperature or sulfur content.
    One possible zombie sighted. Might have been a drunk.
    Bedsheets still intact. Cannot confirm any fabric-related problems.
    No husband assigned yet. Presume this will wait until the governor signs the bill.
    Lion-on-Christian violence appears to remain unchanged. Local zoo being monitored carefully.
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    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I find it interesting how many states that uphold traditional marriage do so via state constitutional amendments voted on by people. States that legalize SSM appear to like doing so at the legislative level without having the people vote on it.
    Yeah, it is interesting how many people there are in this country who don't care to uphold the constitution for people who aren't just like them. And only people who are actually trained in matters of law and constitution seem to know how it actually works. Civil rights are not up for voting.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think it's dangerous to remove people's rights to vote on issues or remove their representation and try and circumvent lawful changes to laws because politicians don't want that to happen.
    I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune if it were your rights being voted on.

    If I had a dollar for every time the "inter-racial marriage" straw man gets flung around I could probably donate enough to DP to keep it running for the year.

    Can't discriminate based on religion or race, it's lawful to define marriage as one man one woman nor is that unlawful gender discrimination to say a woman cannot be a husband or man a wife.
    It's not a strawman. It's the controlling precedent.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Using the mob? It's a public policy issue, the population who disagree or agree on an issue are not a mob. It is tyranny to silence opinion, prevent people from having their beliefs reflected in law, and not allowing a population to lawfully enact laws that do not violate the Constitution.
    Silence opinion? Yes. Beliefs reflected in law? No. Facts are reflected in laws, not beliefs. Enact laws that don't violate the constitution? Yeah, but SSM bans do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I'm sure you do.. You're missing the point of my opinion. You, in order to understand my opinion must look at the consequences of NOT just gay marriage, but the destruction of marriage over the last 50 years. Gay marriage doesn't help traditional marriage, it can only serve to hurt it further by illegitimating it even more.
    Considering how the traditions of marriage mostly centered around women being chattel to be bought, sold, and raped, I'm not seeing how this is a bad thing.

    Frankly kids, this is an open and shut issue already. The SSM battle is already over. The tide is only going one way. It's now just a matter of time, and I don't think it will take very long.
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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think it's dangerous to remove people's rights to vote on issues or remove their representation and try and circumvent lawful changes to laws because politicians don't want that to happen.
    I think it's dangerous to allow people to vote on the rights of other people.

    Can't discriminate based on religion or race, it's lawful to define marriage as one man one woman nor is that unlawful gender discrimination to say a woman cannot be a husband or man a wife.
    Isn't it? I cannot marry a man because I am also a man. If not gender, what is this classification based on?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Minnesota Senate debating SSM bill

    I am thinking the ultimate test for the 'will of the people' crowd would be to subject their own marriage to a vote. For example, a vote to ban hicup or digsbe specifically from marrying. Maybe then they will understand the kind of hate they are advocating.

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