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    Re: Gosnell guilty of 3 counts of murder

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    He killed 3 babies that were born alive.
    they were abortions. No one wanted them to be born, and the mothers chose to abort. Your misrepresentation of facts and reality are noted.

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    Re: Gosnell guilty of 3 counts of murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I am pro-choice, but what this person did was not just an illegal abortion, he performed illegal abortions and then actively killed a baby that may have been viable. That is murder IMHO and he got punished accordingly.
    No, they were abortions, though you worked yourself up into an emotional frenzy over it. Seriously, what do you think an abortion is? The mothers are not willing to have or raise the child so they terminate the pregnancy. That will involve an early fetus that is still developing. The fetus doesn't just stop working because the mother chooses to abort. It is removed and that ends whatever cellular functions it has which cause it to be a living part of the mother. What you are claiming is that had he just left the glob on the floor to die it would not be murder, but because he made extra specially sure to help destroy the glob of cells and put a quick end to any functions that might be going on he becomes a murderer. It is an abortion and is not a murder. If you want to have strict and harsh penalties like in murder for abortion doctors who perform later term abortions then make those punishments into law. if you want to lump this in somewhere completely different i hope it gets turned over on appeals because it is a dangerous precedent and gives much more power to the government to try you for crimes you never committed.

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    Re: Gosnell guilty of 3 counts of murder

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    No, they were abortions, though you worked yourself up into an emotional frenzy over it. Seriously, what do you think an abortion is? The mothers are not willing to have or raise the child so they terminate the pregnancy. That will involve an early fetus that is still developing. The fetus doesn't just stop working because the mother chooses to abort. It is removed and that ends whatever cellular functions it has which cause it to be a living part of the mother. What you are claiming is that had he just left the glob on the floor to die it would not be murder, but because he made extra specially sure to help destroy the glob of cells and put a quick end to any functions that might be going on he becomes a murderer. It is an abortion and is not a murder. If you want to have strict and harsh penalties like in murder for abortion doctors who perform later term abortions then make those punishments into law. if you want to lump this in somewhere completely different i hope it gets turned over on appeals because it is a dangerous precedent and gives much more power to the government to try you for crimes you never committed.
    What emotional frenzy are you talking about? This is my second post about the subject.

    I am a great believer in the legality of abortions but abortions at week 24? That is not an abortion, at that time the baby is close to or even totally viable.

    I am also a great believer in euthanasia, even in babies if that is what is called for in some cases (only if the parents and doctors agree), but that was not the case here either.

    A 24 week old baby is not a glob of cells or a very early fetus with no chance of survival. I do not think abortions should be allowed that late except to save the life or the mother and/or the baby. If there was a living baby, the doctor should have used all possible medical options to save the baby when he took it out of the mother at that late date.

    Abortions should be legal and should be safe, but they should never take place so late in the pregnancy. This doctor (from what the evidence has found) ended the lives of some of these babies actively and that is murder/manslaughter and he needs to be punished accordingly (with jail time, still do not believe in the death penalty).
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    Re: Gosnell guilty of 3 counts of murder

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    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    No, they were abortions, though you worked yourself up into an emotional frenzy over it. Seriously, what do you think an abortion is? The mothers are not willing to have or raise the child so they terminate the pregnancy. That will involve an early fetus that is still developing. The fetus doesn't just stop working because the mother chooses to abort. It is removed and that ends whatever cellular functions it has which cause it to be a living part of the mother. What you are claiming is that had he just left the glob on the floor to die it would not be murder, but because he made extra specially sure to help destroy the glob of cells and put a quick end to any functions that might be going on he becomes a murderer. It is an abortion and is not a murder. If you want to have strict and harsh penalties like in murder for abortion doctors who perform later term abortions then make those punishments into law. if you want to lump this in somewhere completely different i hope it gets turned over on appeals because it is a dangerous precedent and gives much more power to the government to try you for crimes you never committed.
    you are one sick and twisted individual does this look like a glob of cells to you

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    this is what a 25 week old fetus looks like, its a baby it is an alive human being not some dam glob of cell
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    Re: Gosnell guilty of 3 counts of murder

    Your pic shows a 25-week baby who is outside the womb. A live baby just like the live babies, probably hundreds, that Gosnell murdered.

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    Re: Gosnell guilty of 3 counts of murder

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    this is what a 25 week old fetus looks like, its a baby it is an alive human being not some dam glob of cell
    What does it look like at 12 weeks? Because that is when over 99% of abortions occur.

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    Re: Gosnell guilty of 3 counts of murder

    Last time I checked, this thread was about Gosnell being convicted of murdering three live babies.

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    Re: Gosnell guilty of 3 counts of murder

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    they were abortions. No one wanted them to be born, and the mothers chose to abort. Your misrepresentation of facts and reality are noted.
    Abortions are done inside the womb. He did three of them after live birth. What facts did I misrepresent?

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    Re: Gosnell guilty of 3 counts of murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    What does it look like at 12 weeks? Because that is when over 99% of abortions occur.
    Here you go...

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    Re: Gosnell guilty of 3 counts of murder

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    they were abortions, not murders. Though if his negligence lead to the deaths of a mother or two then I could see actually being guilty of murder. Separate is not equal. Since a fetus does not ahve the rights of a human, and it should never have them, it cannot be considered murder or homicide to kill one. but good try for backdooring in precedent. I do hope that attempt doesn't ruin this on appeals for you.
    Mein gott. You're so completely wrong about so many things in such a short bit of text.

    a) When a child is born, it has rights and legal protection under the law as it stands right now. I may think it's stupid, and I do, but that is what the law is as it stands right now, nationwide.

    b) It is always homicide to kill a human. It isn't always murder to kill a human in aggression, unfortunately - see abortion.

    c) SAT analogy question reference time.... Fetus : neonate :: magma : lava. If birth has happened, even if that birth was induced through medication, you don't call the human a fetus any longer. Premature neonates come out before they have had the usual entire fetal stage of growth and development inside the womb, that is why they have such a hard time.


    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    they were abortions. No one wanted them to be born, and the mothers chose to abort. Your misrepresentation of facts and reality are noted.
    Stop talking about things you clearly know nothing about. Yes, their disgusting wretches of mothers wanted them dead, they hired a serial killer to make them dead, and then that serial killer stepped outside the boundaries of his legal protection to perform his professional role. He can only kill human beings when they are inside the mother's womb, but even then, he killed them so late-term that he was violating state law. He didn't even stop there, though, he violently killed them outside of the womb - not fetuses, but born neonates.

    By killing the kids after they were born, he became a murderer under the law as it stands right now anywhere in the nation. In addition to being a serial killer of humans in the fetal stage of life, he crossed the line into becoming a murderer of children. There really shouldn't be a difference, but there is.

    I'm not sure how anyone stumbles into an abortion debate without understanding the most basic elements of that debate... how was that ambiguous to you before today? The current standard, long standing, is that a human has legal rights and those rights are protected at birth.
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