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    Re: Gosnell guilty of 3 counts of murder

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    Re: Gosnell guilty of 3 counts of murder

    Whatever happened to people 1) filing complaints when questionable methods are used. 2) Investigation of said complaints. 3) Randomly following up on Drs and their level of care?

    Seems to me that this happened - was enable for so long - because no one really seemed to give a crap.

    You know - when it comes to having laws and things regarding a sensitive nature - something that walks a fine line and is heavily (HEAVILY regulated) - why isn't there an entity of some form that is constantly investigating? Like Osha?

    In fact - why doesn't our nation have any such measures to ensure healthier, safer practices nationwide in regard to any form of health care? By default - we just expect people to file complaints and then go from there? Well - how do you even do that much? Everything falls on the patient unless your a hospital and THEN you're randomly investigated?

    I guess I'm really wondering why we don't monitor our healthcare system better to ensure Drs are proper, official, etc etc. And if we do this - why are we doing such a ****ty job?

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    Re: Gosnell guilty of 3 counts of murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Whatever happened to people 1) filing complaints when questionable methods are used.
    they were ignored. Even deaths were not investigated. In fact, local doctors also ignores state law on reporting treatment of abortion related injuries and death

    because no one really seemed to give a crap.
    No, there was clear intent to avoid the regulation of abortion clinics, because regulation was seen as a deterent

    In fact - why doesn't our nation have any such measures to ensure healthier, safer practices nationwide in regard to any form of health care?
    We do, this place was just regulated less than a guy spending his day removing skin tabs, for political reasons

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    Re: Gosnell guilty of 3 counts of murder

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    they were ignored. Even deaths were not investigated. In fact, local doctors also ignores state law on reporting treatment of abortion related injuries and death



    No, there was clear intent to avoid the regulation of abortion clinics, because regulation was seen as a deterent



    We do, this place was just regulated less than a guy spending his day removing skin tabs, for political reasons
    Yeah - so - then what? You file complaints - they're ignored/not investigated . . . then what? (of course, the average patient won't even know that much)

    Seems to me that the people in charge of such things also should be questioned but very little is said about that.

    And so obviously we have an issue, here - the general lack of not giving a crap. People just didn't care enough to do anything.
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    Re: Gosnell guilty of 3 counts of murder

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    didn't care enough to do anything.
    No, they cared enough that they explicitly decided to do nothing, even in the face of patient deaths. For them, there was a clear political goal of taking a full hands off approach to abortion providers

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    Re: Gosnell guilty of 3 counts of murder

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    Re: Gosnell guilty of 3 counts of murder

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    Wasn't an insult, sorry if you took it as such.
    You too would consider it insulting if I asked you whether or not you believe in Santa Claus. Give me a break.

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    Re: Gosnell guilty of 3 counts of murder

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    Re: Gosnell guilty of 3 counts of murder

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Unless the women were forced to abort without their consent there should not be murder charges. If he did the abortions at a point when they were not allowed then he should face charges for illegal abortions and not for murder. If he was disposing of the remains wrongfully after the abortion procedure then they should nail him for that. The problem is this is not murder, and because of that may get wiped out in appeals because the courts and the anti-abortion extremists want to go way overboard on charges. Whatever ways he broke the law I am fine with charging him for, but I do not think it is murder to abort a baby for a willing mother.

    I also think thwese charges were brought as a political step and as vengeance for the anti-abortion crowd who has no real involvement with any of this. No one cared about those babies lives enough to rush in and pay for the pregnancy and commit to raising them in a loving household to avoid the abortions. The right doesn't even want to pay for WIC, school lunches, or SNAP for poor kids who are not responsible for the positions they are born to. They were unwanted children, and that reality would always haunt them. Maybe the right should be a little more appalled by it's own lack of character when it comes to helping disadvantaged kids born to bad circumstances which pretty much leads to a huge reason why many people chose abortion. This guy broke the law regarding abortions and he deserves to be punished for the laws he broke. Abortion is not murder in this country, and it should not be murder anywhere. Since the other stuff seems to be true i am fine with him losing his medical license and jail time for performing abortions at the wrong time, and also his disposal of biohazard waste in a very improper manner if that is true.
    I am pro-choice, but what this person did was not just an illegal abortion, he performed illegal abortions and then actively killed a baby that may have been viable. That is murder IMHO and he got punished accordingly.
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    Re: Gosnell guilty of 3 counts of murder

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I think you should read the grand jury report and familiarize yourself with its particulars.

    http://www.phila.gov/districtattorne...ensmedical.pdf
    they were abortions, not murders. Though if his negligence lead to the deaths of a mother or two then I could see actually being guilty of murder. Separate is not equal. Since a fetus does not ahve the rights of a human, and it should never have them, it cannot be considered murder or homicide to kill one. but good try for backdooring in precedent. I do hope that attempt doesn't ruin this on appeals for you.

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