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    Re: Obama: IRS wrongdoing is ‘outrageous’

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Oh, but I was. I just wasn't standing in front of a TV and hearing this President directly, which I've specified twice now. Where were you when the infamous "Checkers" speech was delivered? During Watergate? Were you an adult standing in front of the TV and listening live?
    I wasn't an adult during Nixon's Presidency, but the tape I've seen...yeah, he was flat out lying.

    Maybe not the Checkers speech, but other times yes.


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    Re: Obama: IRS wrongdoing is ‘outrageous’

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I don't like political appointees either because they are chosen as rewards, not as skilled managers.

    I would much prefer our country be a Parliamentary Meritocracy but that's not going to happen.

    So, what do you propose instead of the current system? Obviously, more oversight but that's problematic since we are too politicized to choose neutral management. Look at the SCOTUS as a terrible example of what happens when you promote people who bring a political agenda to extreme power.

    I don't think I'm qualified to offer a meaningful proposal about what our tax system should look like. Right now, not enough people are contributing to the federal government through income taxes. It makes no sence to have so many people excluded from an income tax burden. That "skin in the game" creates interest, and effort, on the part of those paying.

    One thing I can write however, is the way we spend money needs to be completely changed. Base line budgeting has created more problems than any tax breaks that have taken place.

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    Re: Obama: IRS wrongdoing is ‘outrageous’

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I was audited this year by the IRS for the first time in my life. Wonder if it had to do with my posts here?

    Hmmm.
    Just because you might be paranoid,

    Doesn't mean they're not out to get you!!

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    Re: Obama: IRS wrongdoing is ‘outrageous’

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I'm a veteran of 4 audits over my lifetime and the first one cost me money because I (sort of deliberately) expensed things that should have been carried as inventory. The other 3 audits resulted in no change in my taxes. I had one audit at my house/office, one at the IRS office and one where they actually spied on my business for a month before the "surprise audit" happened.

    In every case, they were polite, cooperative and actually friendly. My last audit (the surprise one) I had my CPA deal with it because I was scared and it cost me $3K in CPA fees but no handcuffs.

    It's a pain in the butt but no big deal unless you've been telling outrageous lies and can't cover ourself with adequate phony documents.

    I think the computer selects the auditees, not individuals. What's going on now is the process for approving 501c (or whichever non-profit class political groups use) does get assigned to a live agent. I've been through this process but animal rescue licenses are the easiest to get while religion and politics are viewed more skeptically. Why any group that isn't helping someone gets to be tax free is incomprehensible to me. 99% of this froups set it up not because they give a **** but in order ti get suckers to donate money and pat themselves handsome salaries and contract out their work to friends and relatives.

    The whole "non-profit" process is a total scam and if I am elected, it will be goodbye to "tax free non-profits" unless they can prove nobody is making money on the deal and that it is completely a labor of love.


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    Re: Obama: IRS wrongdoing is ‘outrageous’

    I completely agree with you that our tax system is as ****ed up as Hogan's goat (do people still use that term?) and that everyone should pay taxes and money should be spent wisely.

    Unfortunately, it will never happen that way. We are owned by very few and everything is for their benefit, not ours. We succeed in spite of, not because of, our leaders.



    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I don't think I'm qualified to offer a meaningful proposal about what our tax system should look like. Right now, not enough people are contributing to the federal government through income taxes. It makes no sence to have so many people excluded from an income tax burden. That "skin in the game" creates interest, and effort, on the part of those paying.

    One thing I can write however, is the way we spend money needs to be completely changed. Base line budgeting has created more problems than any tax breaks that have taken place.

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    Re: Obama: IRS wrongdoing is ‘outrageous’

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good afternoon, ocean515.

    This push to sell us on the merits of "paperless" everything is amazing! It sure makes their jobs easier. If only the government were as adept at repairing crumbling infrastructure, and our other big problems, as they are in making certain every cent that can be extracted from those that actually do pay taxes is known...mainly because the spending keeps increasing all the time and they need the money....our deficit wouldn't be the problem that it is. Gotta love those priorities! Whatever happened to the idea of revising the tax code, and where are the decent paying jobs so everyone gets to contribute to the Federal bottomless pit?
    Hi Polgara

    Of course, going paperless has nothing to do with making it easier to find imaginary needles in a haystack. How much smaller has the IRS become now that paperless is becoming the norm? Hmmm. I think the answer is ZERO smaller.

    The tax code is rediculous, however, I'm almost of the opinion it should be left alone at this point. It seems every time someone tries to "mess" with it, it just get worse.

    We need to broaden the tax base by getting more workers to pay federal income taxes. Of course that means putting more people to work, which IMO, is not a priority of the current administration.

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    Re: Obama: IRS wrongdoing is ‘outrageous’

    You're barking up the right tree.



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    Re: Obama: IRS wrongdoing is ‘outrageous’

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I completely agree with you that our tax system is as ****ed up as Hogan's goat (do people still use that term?) and that everyone should pay taxes and money should be spent wisely.

    Unfortunately, it will never happen that way. We are owned by very few and everything is for their benefit, not ours. We succeed in spite of, not because of, our leaders.
    Perhaps. I've learned over the course of my life that the world is far simpler than it appears. I don't believe in the "owned by the very few" thinking. That would be far to complex an undertaking.

    However, IMO, what we are experiencing right now is a period where vast sums of money can be made by moving files from one side of a desk to another. We have companies worth billions that have never turned a profit. We have seen billionaires created whose products are nothing more that bits flowing through fiber optic cables.

    I'm an old school manufacturer of products. I turn littles bits and pieces into bigger bits and pieces. I hire and pay good people to help me do that, and the economy of scale allows me to pay them a little bit for each thing they make. That allows them to earn a very good living. The longer they work for me, the more I pay them, because the wisdom they have becomes almost priceless after awhile.

    Until we return to this way of thinking, we will continue to struggle. When it only takes a couple mouse clicks to make a million dollars, the income gap will continue to grow.

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    Re: Obama: IRS wrongdoing is ‘outrageous’

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    When people like Dick Cheney basically says screw you to congress and just doesn't testify.
    Or is it congress saying "screw you" to Cheney? They have no authority to have him come before them.

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    Re: Obama: IRS wrongdoing is ‘outrageous’

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Or is it congress saying "screw you" to Cheney? They have no authority to have him come before them.
    They can subpoena him the same way they can anyone else. He is bound by the same laws as other citizens.

    I'm not sure what that has to do with this, but ...


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