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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The state department wanted their people Evacuated. The military wanted to conduct a attack. You need more information and planning to conduct a Evacuation.
    So, the solution was to do NOTHING?

    Totally inexcusable.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    You can tell the Liberals on this thread who have never been in the American military.

    The more dangerous the mission is, the more guys that volunteer and literally demand to go. That's how it is with American fighting men, particularly when other guys are in danger.

    The posts on this thread clearly illustrate why Liberals should NEVER be in charge of anything related to the military. They will NEVER understand. They simply do not have the heart.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Rushing in guns blazing is what Custer did at Little Bighorn, look what happened to him.

    Besides Benghazi was not the only place causing a commotion during the week of the attack.
    The Israelis went in, guns-a-blazin' at Entebe. That worked out quite well.

    Custer failed because of a breakdown in discipline within his chain of command, not because the indians over-powered his regiment. So, let's stop with the erroneous examples, please.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Robert Gates appeared on CBS's Face The Nation on Sunday and pushed back on the critics of Obama's military. See the video on his appearance at the link .

    Gates, a Republican who was appointed by then-President George W. Bush in 2006 and agreed to stay through more than two years of President Obama's first term, repeatedly declined to criticize the policymakers who devised a response to the September 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic facility in Benghazi, Libya, that left four Americans dead, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens.

    "Frankly, had I been in the job at the time, I think my decisions would have been just as theirs were," said Gates, now the chancellor of the College of William and Mary.

    "We don't have a ready force standing by in the Middle East, and so getting somebody there in a timely way would have been very difficult, if not impossible." he explained.

    Suggestions that we could have flown a fighter jet over the attackers to "scare them with the noise or something," Gates said, ignored the "number of surface to air missiles that have disappeared from [former Libyan leader] Qaddafi's arsenals."

    "I would not have approved sending an aircraft, a single aircraft, over Benghazi under those circumstances," he said.

    Another suggestion posed by some critics of the administration, to, as Gates said, "send some small number of special forces or other troops in without knowing what the environment is, without knowing what the threat is, without having any intelligence in terms of what is actually going on on the ground, would have been very dangerous."

    "It's sort of a cartoonish impression of military capabilities and military forces," he said. "The one thing that our forces are noted for is planning and preparation before we send people in harm's way, and there just wasn't time to do that."



    Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability - CBS News
    With all the drivel you have been posting on this, some very outlandish. This one makes sense to me. I never had any problem with the judgment calls as to rescue operations or the lack there of and has said so many times in various posts. I would just like to know what the cover up, why this administration wanted to make everyone believe it was a video when everyone knew different. It is more out of curiosity than hostility. In my little mind it makes no sense.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    JustWe have 3 aircraft carriers in the Middle East right now. Last I knew whenever an aircraft carrier is in an area like the ME that they are suppose to always be ready to put jets in the air. What happened to those?
    The truth is, since Obama became Cn'C our Navy has fallen apart. It's no longer able to deploy and have a Carrier Strike Group (CSG) on station 24/7 in all five of the Navy's Area of Responsibility. (AOR) The past eleven Presidents as Cn'C were able to do it, Obama can't.

    Actualy the last time there were three carriers in the Middle East (5th Fleet AOR and 6th Fleet AOR) was during the Bush administration. Obama has a problem of having a carrier in just one of the Navy's five AOR's.

    Right now there's a CSG in the 5th, 6th and 7th Fleet's AOR. For the first time since 2001 we only have one CSG on station in the 5th Fleet AOR. Since 2001 we always had at least two CSG's in AOR 5. That second carrier assigned to AOR was diverted to the 7th Fleet AOR because the carrier normally assigned to the 7th fleet is incapable to put to sea because of Obama diverting funding from operating and maintaining carriers to social engineering programs. Spending $500 Billion dollars to remove urinals from warships because of political correctness !!!

    The Mediterranean Sea falls under the 6th Fleet AOR. Since Obama has been President very rarely did Obama have a CSG in the 6th Fleet AOR. Those carriers were usually found tied to their wharfs in Norfolk unable to put to sea. That's why there was no carriers in the Mediterranean to respond to the Al Qaeda attacks in Benghazi. Who's fault is that, the chain of command says the Cn'C (POTUS) then next in line the Secretary of Defense.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    I'm still waiting for some one to answer how did the military brass know help wouldn't arrive in time? how in the hell they knew when the attack was going to end? how many more people needed to die before they decided to send help? what was the acceptable numbers of death before help was sent?

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Gee, who knew the American military was so ineffectual aaboutcapable of at least attempting the rescue of a US Ambassador and his colleagues. America's enemies must be comforted by such admissions.
    Anybody remember how well that worked for Carter?

    If Obama sent tropps into a shredder and they got shredded, all y'all'd be squawking about THAT.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Israelis went in, guns-a-blazin' at Entebe. That worked out quite well.

    Custer failed because of a breakdown in discipline within his chain of command, not because the indians over-powered his regiment. So, let's stop with the erroneous examples, please.
    The Israelis planned and trained before they went into Entebe.

    How do you know there was a breakdown in Custer's chain of command?
    I confess, I did it, I let the dogs out.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    No Mr. Gates, what's "cartoonish" is the level of common sense applied toward keeping our embassy personnel safe.
    Stevens was not in an Embassy. He was in a CIA house.Stevens was the kind of man who wanted to be with people. He knew how dangerous it was. It was a 3 house compound.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Clearly the former SEALS on the ground in Benghazi couldn't have given them a reliable sitrep

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