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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I wonder why he felt it necessary to say anything at all. Perhaps he feels that, although his statements are true, that there is indeed something inside the DoD that should be looked at and since the current investigations were not focused in that direction, his statement acts as a signal for someone to start looking in that direction.
    It's only natural for the media to inquire of past leaders to see how they might have handled situations. IMO, it is a fair question for Congress to ask the Pentagon why there wasn't an aircraft carrier in closer proximity to Libya given the recent civil war and continuing risks of post-conflict instability. Effective deployment of military assets, including a capability for rapid response, has to consider a balance of today's risks and tomorrow's priorities. I don't know enough about the military's reasoning, so I'm making no judgment on that issue only suggesting that it would be reasonable for Congress to follow up on that angle. IMO, looking at concrete questions such as that example would be a productive use of Congressional oversight authority.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    The big pink elephant in the room that everyone is continuing to ignore is the military brass keeps insisting that they couldn't get military help there in time. I would like to know how did they know they wouldn't get there in time how in the hell did they knew when the attack was going end and why hasn't any one asked
    Because the people investigating this are not concerned with fixing the problem, they're only concerned with pointing fingers.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Just something that has not been commented yet that I have seen. People keep talking about Italy and what not as being places where jets and what not are stationed and the jets not being ready and it would have taken hours for them to be ready and get there and what not but here's my question....We have 3 aircraft carriers in the Middle East right now. Last I knew whenever an aircraft carrier is in an area like the ME that they are suppose to always be ready to put jets in the air. What happened to those?

    Not that I really care. What happened happened and it is done and over with. Shoulda coulda woulda's don't mean a darn thing and hindesight is always 20/20. What I am more concerned about all of this is how the story keeps changing and officials are contradicting each other.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I believe the Secretary was referring to a force in close enough proximity to Libya to have been effective. We have a major naval base in Bahrain, but that's some 2,000 miles away. If I'm not mistaken, the closest U.S. air base is in Italy.
    We had military assesses in Sicily and at the NATO base in Italy. Also in Germany.

    From 1948 until Obama became President, the U.S. Navy always had at least one Carrier Battle Group/Carrier Strike Group and a Amphibious Ready Group with either a Marine BLT or MEU on board able to deploy 1,800 Marines 24/7 for 60 years. President Obama as Cn'C has failed where the other eleven Presidents before him didn't. Just incompetency or dereliction of duty ?

    There was one U.S. Navy destroyer near by in the region. Now I seriously doubt Obama or Gates no how to use that destroyer's 5"/54 gun. In fact I doubt 90 % in the military know what the 5"58 gun is capable of and not capable of. That's why we have Marine ANGLICO's.

    Back to Benghazi and the two former Navy SEAL's. From their actions they believed that the military would be in charge, not Obama, Gates or any other civilians. These two former SEAL's lit up the Al Qaeda mortar position with a laser targeting designator. Why did they do that ? Because they were expecting either an Air Force F-16 or Navy or Marine FA-18 armed with laser guided Mk.48 bombs or even with laser guided Maverick air to surface missiles.

    So Gates is full of crap. A Maverick can be launched at high altitude from 25 miles away from it's target.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Secretary Gates' point was that military forces cannot be committed into a situation when the environmental situation is unknown. If, for example, a small, lightly-armed force is inserted into a situation in which it is out-manned and out-gunned, the mission would very likely be a failure and the resulting casualties would have been unnecessary. His approach is a prudent and responsible one.

    Finally, he was the Secretary of Defense who presided over the turnaround in the military situation in Iraq. He had inherited that bad situation that was largely the result of planning based on rosy assumptions (no insurgency, less need for manpower, etc.).
    Heaven forbid. What a lousy excuse for letting a U.S. facility be attacked and destroyed while doing nothing about it. Perhaps we shouldn't have a military. I'm not sure we know how to manage one.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    It was under attack but they did not know exactly how many attackers there were or how well armed they were.
    Inexcusable. Period.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    And what if the forces we did send turn up dying due to being outmatched? Kinda like general Custer overestimating the ability a of his seventh cavalry and underestimating the number of enemy's at Little Bighorn.
    That's the chance you take, because...military operations, especially special operations are dangerous by their very nature.

    Little Bighorn is a bad example, BTW. Custer wasn't on a rescue mission. Apples and oranges. The bottom line, is that if you have people on the ground, in trouble, you don't do NOTHING.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Inexcusable. Period.
    Rushing in guns blazing is what Custer did at Little Bighorn, look what happened to him.

    Besides Benghazi was not the only place causing a commotion during the week of the attack.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's the chance you take, because...military operations, especially special operations are dangerous by their very nature.

    Little Bighorn is a bad example, BTW. Custer wasn't on a rescue mission. Apples and oranges. The bottom line, is that if you have people on the ground, in trouble, you don't do NOTHING.
    The state department wanted their people Evacuated. The military wanted to conduct a attack. You need more information and planning to conduct a Evacuation. And planning takes time.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    It was under attack but they did not know exactly how many attackers there were or how well armed they were.
    Ok, let's don't act like it was our servicemen who didn't want to go in.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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