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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    I commented a while back I read in Janes the US was the only country in the world that could put firepower on any point in the world today (as in a 24 hour period) having boots 2-4 hours away from anywhere is almost impossible. There is only a limited amout of resources. Beef up one spot they attack another.
    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I can agree with some of the statements in that that was what applied at the time. My question is, why was that the conditions?

    Why was there no "ready force"? Why were there no "go to hell" plans? What Mr. Gates is really saying is that because nobody planned for anything to happen, they were unable to do anything when it did. Any so called "leader" sending people into a potentially hostile situation that does not have a plan for when things "go to hell" or "drop in the pot" is a piss poor "leader" and undeserving of respect or loyalty. Why Gates feels that he owes anything to Obama/Clinton, I don't really know, but his statements clearly show that Obama and Clinton were, in this instance, piss poor "leaders".
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    The big pink elephant in the room that everyone is continuing to ignore is the military brass keeps insisting that they couldn't get military help there in time. I would like to know how did they know they wouldn't get there in time how in the hell did they knew when the attack was going end and why hasn't any one asked

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I can already hear the complaints
    about Gates being a turncoat.
    *gasp* .......

    You mean, AFTER the terrorist blew a 12 foot hole in the compound wall 3 MONTHS before terrorist killed four Americans the President didn't have any off-sight military assets just for this type of situation ?

    Do you have any clue to what our military is capable of ?

    Our weapon systems ?

    No ? You want to keep trying to cover up the deaths of four Americans. ?

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Robert Gates appeared on CBS's Face The
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    on Sunday and pushed back on the critics of Obama's military. See the video on his appearance at the link .

    Gates, a Republican who was appointed by then-President George W. Bush in 2006 and agreed to stay through more than two years of President Obama's first term, repeatedly declined to criticize the policymakers who devised a response to the September 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic facility in Benghazi, Libya, that left four Americans dead, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens.

    "Frankly, had I been in the job at the time, I think my decisions would have been just as theirs were," said Gates, now the chancellor of the College of William and Mary.

    "We don't have a ready force standing by in the Middle East, and so getting somebody there in a timely way would have been very difficult, if not impossible." he explained.

    Suggestions that we could have flown a fighter jet over the attackers to "scare them with the noise or something," Gates said, ignored the "number of surface to air missiles that have disappeared from [former Libyan leader] Qaddafi's arsenals."

    "I would not have approved sending an aircraft, a single aircraft, over Benghazi under those circumstances," he said.

    Another suggestion posed by some critics of the administration, to, as Gates said, "send some small number of special forces or other troops in without knowing what the environment is, without knowing what the threat is, without having any intelligence in terms of what is actually going on on the ground, would have been very dangerous."

    "It's sort of a cartoonish impression of military capabilities and military forces," he said. "The one thing that our forces are noted for is planning and preparation before we send people in harm's way, and there just wasn't time to do that."



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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    The big pink elephant in the room that everyone is continuing to ignore is the military brass keeps insisting that they couldn't get military help there in time. I would like to know how did they know they wouldn't get there in time how in the hell did they knew when the attack was going end and why hasn't any one asked
    The next 'big pink elephant' would be 'since the ME is/has been 'on fire' lately why wouldn't we be at some elevated risk level with varying levels of response readiness on or about 9/11? This especially considering there were multiple reports of this elevated risk prior to 9/11. Are WE paying attention OR has complacency becoming more prevalent the further we get from 9/11/01?
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    And further, why aren't 'left leaning' folks who incessantly rant on the amount we spend on the MIC hammering these Gates positions relentlessly? I mean if we spend what we do how can we not respond somehow?
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I commented a while back I read in Janes the US was the only country in
    the world that could put firepower on any point in the world today (as in a 24 hour period) having boots 2-4 hours away from anywhere is almost impossible. There is only a limited amout of resources. Beef up one spot they attack another.
    Lol...Bull Sh**.

    Your justifying away the needless deaths of four Americans just shows the length some people will go through to protect their candidate.

    Lives before politicians ? Not me, no thanks.

    THE CONSULATE HAD BEEN ATTACKED BEFORE, IN JUNE. THE PERSONEL ON THE GROUND HAD BEEN ASKING FOR MORE BACK-UP, MORE SECURITY FOR MONTHS...

    There is NO excuse. Obama and Hillary and their corrupt group of thugs killed these people, and then tried to cover it up.

    But it's all the left can do to justify down the low life actions of a few Democrats.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The problem was that no one knew the exact situation on the ground so there was not enough information to make a feasible plan.
    Yes, good intelligence isn't always available. What they did know, however, is that an American facility was under attack. To do nothing was inexcusable. Period.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    The jets in Italy are exactly what I heard the testimony on yesterday. They were not flight ready, they were sitting on the tarmac. The flight crew was somehere in italy on leave or liberty. They were not on standby, it would take hours after the crews got there to get one in the air. This is where the cartoonish thing comes in. Not all jets in the military are takeoff ready with a pilot in the ready room.
    True. But still, there should still be jets somewhere in Europe. Still not 20 hours away. I'm not sure, but I heard somewhere that there were drones in the air practically over Benghazi.

    Even if there were no available jets or drones in Europe, Africa, or the Middle East, you haven't addressed that everyone is screaming conspiracy. Or the threatening of whistle-blowers. Or that he originally blamed it on a video that some guy made who was detained in clear violation of his first amendment rights and still hasn't been released. If not for the stuff done by the Administration, this wouldn't be a major issue. People screaming about Benghazi would be completely ignored like the 9/11 conspiracy theorists. This is different. This isn't just to make Obama look bad, he did that on his own.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    The jets are just one example of the lies from the right. The RWers have not proof the jets were ready to fly and the RW have presented none. They merely keep repeating the lie there were planes available. If Faux and the RWers lie about the jets, why do you believe anything they say? The fact you have heard there were jets over head really should make you wonder. I heard all kinds of stuff on faux from jets and armed drones overhead to units of Marines offshore that obama held back.
    Quote Originally Posted by Indeed View Post
    True. But still, there should still be jets somewhere in Europe. Still not 20 hours away. I'm not sure, but I heard somewhere that there were drones in the air practically over Benghazi.

    Even if there were no available jets or drones in Europe, Africa, or the Middle East, you haven't addressed that everyone is screaming conspiracy. Or the threatening of whistle-blowers. Or that he originally blamed it on a video that some guy made who was detained in clear violation of his first amendment rights and still hasn't been released. If not for the stuff done by the Administration, this wouldn't be a major issue. People screaming about Benghazi would be completely ignored like the 9/11 conspiracy theorists. This is different. This isn't just to make Obama look bad, he did that on his own.
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