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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Robert Gates appeared on CBS's Face The Nation on Sunday and pushed back on the critics of Obama's military. See the video on his appearance at the link .

    Gates, a Republican who was appointed by then-President George W. Bush in 2006 and agreed to stay through more than two years of President Obama's first term, repeatedly declined to criticize the policymakers who devised a response to the September 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic facility in Benghazi, Libya, that left four Americans dead, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens.

    "Frankly, had I been in the job at the time, I think my decisions would have been just as theirs were," said Gates, now the chancellor of the College of William and Mary.

    "We don't have a ready force standing by in the Middle East, and so getting somebody there in a timely way would have been very difficult, if not impossible." he explained.

    Suggestions that we could have flown a fighter jet over the attackers to "scare them with the noise or something," Gates said, ignored the "number of surface to air missiles that have disappeared from [former Libyan leader] Qaddafi's arsenals."

    "I would not have approved sending an aircraft, a single aircraft, over Benghazi under those circumstances," he said.

    Another suggestion posed by some critics of the administration, to, as Gates said, "send some small number of special forces or other troops in without knowing what the environment is, without knowing what the threat is, without having any intelligence in terms of what is actually going on on the ground, would have been very dangerous."

    "It's sort of a cartoonish impression of military capabilities and military forces," he said. "The one thing that our forces are noted for is planning and preparation before we send people in harm's way, and there just wasn't time to do that."



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    Gee, who knew the American military was so ineffectual and incapable of at least attempting the rescue of a US Ambassador and his colleagues. America's enemies must be comforted by such admissions.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

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    Gee, who knew the American military was so ineffectual and incapable of at least attempting the rescue of a US Ambassador and his colleagues. America's enemies must be comforted by such admissions.
    Good morning, CJ.

    Not only comforted, but probably also emboldened, and laughing at their success in making America look ridiculous! : I really resent that!

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

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    Good morning, CJ.

    Not only comforted, but probably also emboldened, and laughing at their success in making America look ridiculous! : I really resent that!
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    "It's sort of a cartoonish impression of military capabilities and military forces," he said. "The one thing that our forces are noted for is planning and preparation before we send people in harm's way, and there just wasn't time to do that."
    I agree with Gates' assessment.

    But while I agree with Gates' assessment, I fail to see why Gates' assessment is of any real consequence here.

    The issue isn't thhat America didn't have a fighter wing on-call in the event a foreign service officer somewhere in MENA found him/her self in hot water.

    The issue is that the Obama administration lied to the American people, doctored reports to keep American citizens in the dark, pretended that this wasn't a planned al Qaeda terror attack but rather a spontaneous uprising by a group of average people who got mad over the trailer to an Internet video, concocted a deliberately obfuscatory "investigation" into the incident where it failed to put pertinent administration officials in the hot seat and allowed others to lie with impunity, and in general handled this matter in the most unprofessional, immature, unpresidential way possible.

    Yes Mr. Gates, I understand that there isn't a SEAL Team 6 hostage rescue team on 24/7 standby everywhere in the world.

    Now please explain all the a$$clownery coming out of the Obama administration in terms of their dishonesty and efforts to "bury" this matter.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I completely agree with him. I think the RW faux and others came up with this conspiricy to make Obama look bad, but most of the Fauxites completely believe the US military has limitless resourses and capablities, if the mean old military hater Obama would have let them use them. According to testimony I watched on CSPAN it would have taken 20 hours to get jets overhead. I hear the repubs keeps saying somewhere between 30 min to 2 hours. If the bird is on the runway and is not flight ready, it does take a while a lot more than an hour or two. If a jet flew over it would just cause the terrorist to get closer to the American. I really have a hard time believing it would really scare the bad guys.
    It seams like every time someone points out something that makes Obama look bad everyone is screaming that it's all a conspiracy theory. There are things about this that either aren't being said or completely contradicted. We don't call attention to this for fun, we call attention to this because it's important.

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    And it wouldn't take 20 hours to put jets over head, we have jets in Italy. Not 20 hours away. We are the ONLY country on Earth that keeps troops all around the world, especially scattered around Europe. They could have put boots on the ground in 2-4 hours.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    I can agree with some of the statements in that that was what applied at the time. My question is, why was that the conditions?

    Why was there no "ready force"? Why were there no "go to hell" plans? What Mr. Gates is really saying is that because nobody planned for anything to happen, they were unable to do anything when it did. Any so called "leader" sending people into a potentially hostile situation that does not have a plan for when things "go to hell" or "drop in the pot" is a piss poor "leader" and undeserving of respect or loyalty. Why Gates feels that he owes anything to Obama/Clinton, I don't really know, but his statements clearly show that Obama and Clinton were, in this instance, piss poor "leaders".
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    I think the Obama administration obviously majorly botched the level of security at the Embassy AND maybe is guilty of some kind of cover-up.
    But Gates is about as un-partisan as you can get - he served for both GWB AND Obama. So I highly doubt he was a partisan agenda.
    And if he says that all that could have been done, was done - I will take his word for it until I see evidence to the contrary.

    I certainly agree that just sending an armed force into an extremely uncertain and violent area on short notice could have made a bad situation a whole lot worse in terms of American lives lost.

    Remember the Battle of Mogadishu (Black Hawk Down).

    Yes, different situation. But I am just sayin'.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    It wasn't an embassy, it was a diplomatic compound. An Embassy tend to be better protected.
    Technically, it wasn't anything. Didn't appear on the state department website. It's been called a consulate, a diplomatic mission, and even the administration has referred to it as "our embassy" in Benghazi at times. (Besides, "embassy personnel" is a generic term.)

    But who the @&$# cares what you call it, it wasn't protected as it should have been.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    The jets in Italy are exactly what I heard the testimony on yesterday. They were not flight ready, they were sitting on the tarmac. The flight crew was somehere in italy on leave or liberty. They were not on standby, it would take hours after the crews got there to get one in the air. This is where the cartoonish thing comes in. Not all jets in the military are takeoff ready with a pilot in the ready room.
    Quote Originally Posted by Indeed View Post
    It seams like every time someone points out something that makes Obama look bad everyone is screaming that it's all a conspiracy theory. There are things about this that either aren't being said or completely contradicted. We don't call attention to this for fun, we call attention to this because it's important.

    nothing_to_see_here.jpg

    And it wouldn't take 20 hours to put jets over head, we have jets in Italy. Not 20 hours away. We are the ONLY country on Earth that keeps troops all around the world, especially scattered around Europe. They could have put boots on the ground in 2-4 hours.
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