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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Other than the obvious quote from a movie, what other part of my statement makes you think it was derived from movies? The only time I remember anyone actually referring to MacArthur as being a self-aggrandizing idiot has been some veterans that served under him. Possible it might have been said during an episode of MASH, but don't remember such. Also, I don't know of any place, other than my post above that ever compared the leadership of Custer to MacArthur. Neither is a subject during leadership schools other than historical references, and since I was AF, Custer doesn't come up at all. Patton on leadership, absolutely, MacArthur, not for enlisted, maybe the officers talk about him /shrug.
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    Not to mention that Custer was a self-aggrandizing MacArthur type who idiotically underestimated his enemy even though he did have intelligence and advice that should have let him know more than he did.
    is how Custer is routinely portrayed in the picture shows, and it's a long way from the truth.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
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    is how Custer is routinely portrayed in the picture shows, and it's a long way from the truth.
    I'll have to take your word for that. I haven't really watched much about Custer or that even peripherally dealt with Custer.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I'll have to take your word for that. I haven't really watched much about Custer or that even peripherally dealt with Custer.
    Well, the popular portryal of Custer and The Battle of Little Bighorn has been PC'ed to death, in the picture show. We've been lead to believe that the 7th Cavalry was totally wiped out, in just a few hours, at Little Bighorn, which is erroneous. Granted, the 7th Cavalry took 50+% casualties, it wasn't wiped out to the man, nor did the battle last just a few hours, it lasted for nearly two days. The day after Custer's detachment was wiped out, the indians renewed the attack against Benteen's and Reno's detachments, that were dug in 3 MILES from Custer's last position.

    Also, when you take into consideration Custer's own words, the question stand as to whether, or not Custer even wanted to get into a fight rather than seeking a peaceful resolution:

    "Indians contemplating a battle, either offensive or defensive, are always anxious to have their women and children removed from all danger…For this reason I decided to locate our [military] camp as close as convenient to [Chief Black Kettle's Cheyenne] village, knowing that the close proximity of their women and children, and their necessary exposure in case of conflict, would operate as a powerful argument in favor of peace, when the question of peace or war came to be discussed."

    Custer, George Armstrong, My Life on the Plains : Or, Personal Experiences with Indians. New York: Sheldon and Company (1874). p. 220
    Politically correct history hasn't been at all fair to Custer, but that comes as no surprise.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    yes you are just stating an opinion, one the facts don't support. One that ignores what it wants to to try and muddy Hillary for 2016.

    And funny how your opinion mimics the right wing talking points.
    How do facts support an opinion? You are reading a lot into the few words of a non partisan.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    How do facts support an opinion? You are reading a lot into the few words of a non partisan.
    So you are admitting you have NOTHING to base your opinion on.... just pitching a right wing rant that seems to be a carbon copy of the 'conservative' politicians and talk radio comments. Gates has a leadership/service record that is head and shoulders above 99% of his critics.

    A non partisan who is in lock step with the right wing rants....

    Well seeing how you are a Libertarian I guess that makes sense.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    So you are admitting you have NOTHING to base your opinion on.... just pitching a right wing rant that seems to be a carbon copy of the 'conservative' politicians and talk radio comments. Gates has a leadership/service record that is head and shoulders above 99% of his critics.

    A non partisan who is in lock step with the right wing rants....

    Well seeing how you are a Libertarian I guess that makes sense.
    My opinion is based on the fact that a U.S. facility was under attack and the government did nothing. You have a lot of anger. You really should get that under control.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    My opinion is based on the fact that a U.S. facility was under attack and the government did nothing. You have a lot of anger. You really should get that under control.
    It's a bit ironic to hear a libertarian call for government action. Maybe the embassy should have used the market.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    It's a bit ironic to hear a libertarian call for government action. Maybe the embassy should have used the market.
    There is no reason whatsoever for a libertarian to eschew government action under appropriate circumstances.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Right wing talking points? I'm just stating an opinion. It is unconscionable that the government did nothing. My words. Not someone else's.
    They forget the Ambassador was warned of the danger, but he went any way. That is the kind of man he was. Danger did not stop him.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    They forget the Ambassador was warned of the danger, but he went any way. That is the kind of man he was. Danger did not stop him.
    Holy crap. Talk about trying to revive an old thread.
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