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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Bolded statement: If what I recall is true, that the attack transpired over four or five hours, I find his statement not only unbelievable, but a lie.

    If we don't have a "ready force" standing by in the Middle East? Where they hell do we have a ready force?
    Military strategy expert right ****ing here.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

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    Military strategy expert right ****ing here.
    Are you calling me a military strategy expert????? I'm going to report you!
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Are you calling me a military strategy expert????? I'm going to report you!
    No, really, how are you more of an expert on deploying special forces hundreds of miles than Gates, exactly?
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    AC130 specter gunship (Black Betty) is still in service for the military one was in the air in the area during the attack reports say it was told to stand down



    Steal Rain is what our enemies called it

    Yes, my point is it's capabilities of pinpoint CAS have greatly improved in the intervening 46 years.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

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    Of course, an entire airfield of planes isn't flight ready. And all the pilots are on leave getting drunk. Do you really believe that ****?
    On 9/11 of all times. right? the more you learn and understand the real truth the more you get pissed off im to the point of being so pissed off im spitting blood and pissing fire

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You've been watching too many movies. Don't get your historical info from movies. It's highly likely that you're being misled.
    Other than the obvious quote from a movie, what other part of my statement makes you think it was derived from movies? The only time I remember anyone actually referring to MacArthur as being a self-aggrandizing idiot has been some veterans that served under him. Possible it might have been said during an episode of MASH, but don't remember such. Also, I don't know of any place, other than my post above that ever compared the leadership of Custer to MacArthur. Neither is a subject during leadership schools other than historical references, and since I was AF, Custer doesn't come up at all. Patton on leadership, absolutely, MacArthur, not for enlisted, maybe the officers talk about him /shrug.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Bolded statement: If what I recall is true, that the attack transpired over four or five hours, I find his statement not only unbelievable, but a lie.

    If we don't have a "ready force" standing by in the Middle East? Where they hell do we have a ready force?

    We did. It was the Marine 24th MEU, stationed in the Mediterranean from April 2012 to December 2012, it's Rapid Deployment Force has the capability to be anywhere in 18 hours. The RDF travels by V22 Osprey, with a range of 2100 nm, and a max speed of 250 nm/h.

    More-over the 24th MEU also has a logistics battalion that could have been called at any time to make a quick flight to Benghazi to evaluate the defenses... like, after the first car bomb blew a 12' hole in the wall a few weeks earlier....

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, really, how are you more of an expert on deploying special forces hundreds of miles than Gates, exactly?
    Thing is, when something happens like this? It's got to pass the test of the common man. IMO this doesn't. When we have consulates (or whatever we choose to call Benghazi) in trouble spots, the idea that we can't reach them -- that we didn't have one chopper we could put in the air to defend our position in the at least three hours until Stevens'body was found just isn't believable. And the idea that Libya itself did nothing to protect our people is very difficult to understand as well.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, really, how are you more of an expert on deploying special forces hundreds of miles than Gates, exactly?
    Rule of thumb: Don't trust the politician who's on the hot seat to tell you what is and isn't possible.

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