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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

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    Close air support is generally done by helos or by what we called puff the magic dragon in VN and not fighter jets

    So you are basing your judgement of 2012 military technology capabilities on 1967 military technology capabilities?

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

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    Is it your claim that the military wanted to blunder in Benghazi on short notice, but Hillary didn't let them?

    You conservatives and your wild accusations. Stick with yellow cake.
    Hillary lying about something...a completely wild accusation. Sure. Gonna try to sell me a car next?

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

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    So it's not made purely of concrete as you first said. But actually a dense concrete like substance. Does the missile have a guidance system as well? Face it, jet fighters,bombs and missiles were not the answer to this no matter how hard people try to beleave they are.

    Having served for 25 years in the EOD I have a little bit of knowledge on how the Military works in situations like this. The only way to have had any effect on this would have been to Helo a lot of Spec Ops in. That has it's own problems and needs onsite intell.

    I don't think anyone is trying to justify the lack of action. Just trying to look at a different angle then the "just kill everyone" crowd. To call them ignorant just because they don't think the same as you is a bit dishonest.
    They were painting the mortar positions for a reason, for a strike that never came. If two Navy Seals with their extensive training thought that lazing the targets would have effectively neutralized the attack, then I'm convinced it would have been successful.

    But of-course, there was no military back up. Those people were left to die. Now if three highly trained Seals, who knew more about the situation then any one here, took off towards Benghazi, do you think there was NO communication before, during and after....for the one who survived ?

    That they would have taken off without a way to guarantee, as far as they knew military support ?

    My sons in the Navy, and he's thinks the Benghazi disaster is a blatant cover up and the democrats are using the general ignorance of the American population as it pertains to our Military's capabilities to perpetuate the false narrative.

    That there was nothing " the most technologically advance military in the world" could do for those people.

    I try to put him under the light so to speak when he comes home, as he has a very high security clearance and get him to fill me in on the latest tech BUT, he's a good lad and won't budge. Next is waterboardding.

    He did mention that there were several different options available, and those who say there wasn't enough time are full of sh**, due to the fact no one knew at the time how long the attack would have gone on for.

    Notice those who were responsible are still free men. So it's more BS from Obama supporters who would rather see men die before they admit they subjected our Country to the most inept and corrupt administration in our Nations History.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

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    Hillary lying about something...a completely wild accusation. Sure. Gonna try to sell me a car next?
    I love how conservatives have the power to read minds, but not newspapers.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

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    Close air support is generally done by helos or by what we called puff the magic dragon in VN and not fighter jets
    AC-130's are pretty good at it.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So you are basing your judgement of 2012 military technology capabilities on 1967 military technology capabilities?
    AC130 specter gunship (Black Betty) is still in service for the military one was in the air in the area during the attack reports say it was told to stand down



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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    I love how conservatives have the power to read minds, but not newspapers.
    You still use newspapers as information sources? guffaw.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

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    You still use newspapers as information sources? guffaw.
    Why is it that conservatives brag about not reading?

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    It sounds like the GOP wants to politicize military and intelligence decisions, just like the good old days of Bush and yellow cake.
    We would have nothing to talk about, if your dirt bag of a President didn't politicize Benghazi by lying about a video. He's doubled down on his talking points today.....he's such a idiot.

    You think he and J, Carney are going to get an apartment together after all of this is over ?
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

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    Robert Gates appeared on CBS's Face The Nation on Sunday and pushed back on the critics of Obama's military. See the video on his appearance at the link .

    Gates, a Republican who was appointed by then-President George W. Bush in 2006 and agreed to stay through more than two years of President Obama's first term, repeatedly declined to criticize the policymakers who devised a response to the September 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic facility in Benghazi, Libya, that left four Americans dead, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens.

    "Frankly, had I been in the job at the time, I think my decisions would have been just as theirs were," said Gates, now the chancellor of the College of William and Mary.

    "We don't have a ready force standing by in the Middle East, and so getting somebody there in a timely way would have been very difficult, if not impossible." he explained.

    Suggestions that we could have flown a fighter jet over the attackers to "scare them with the noise or something," Gates said, ignored the "number of surface to air missiles that have disappeared from [former Libyan leader] Qaddafi's arsenals."

    "I would not have approved sending an aircraft, a single aircraft, over Benghazi under those circumstances," he said.

    Another suggestion posed by some critics of the administration, to, as Gates said, "send some small number of special forces or other troops in without knowing what the environment is, without knowing what the threat is, without having any intelligence in terms of what is actually going on on the ground, would have been very dangerous."

    "It's sort of a cartoonish impression of military capabilities and military forces," he said. "The one thing that our forces are noted for is planning and preparation before we send people in harm's way, and there just wasn't time to do that."



    Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability - CBS News
    well, if Gates was in the position to make these decisions, and decided exactly as others have done... he's be in the hot seat right now having answers demanded from him from folks who want to know why their decision led to 4 dead Americans.

    the military is known for planning before they execute..sure thing.... I'd like ot know why there was no plan for such a contingency as the consulate coming under attack in a politically and socially unstable country
    I'd like to know if the folks who worked there knew there was no security contingency plan.
    I'd like to know how they felt about being left in the cold to die by the government that is supposed to be so goddamned good at planning.

    we can't really ask them though... they are dead.

    one day, I'd like to see a government of leaders who look to protect their people, rather than bending over backwards to protect their peers.
    I guess it's easy to to do when you know that yourself and your peers won't ever be in the position to be harmed like the minions they send are

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