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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

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    and if that colateral damage was the americans you were trying to save, but got caught in the explosions.
    Our missile guidance technology is a bit more advanced than you seem to think...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I have to say I find this question odd. We're talking about an attack on an American compound in the middle of the night. Do you think there were a lot of innocent women and children our sleepwalking at the time of the attack? By reports on the ground at the time there were hundreds of attackers outside the compound - I'm pretty sure none of them were innocent bystanders - no collateral damage there, just terrorist being sent home to Allah.
    no but there were americans in the consulate, and americans and allied libyans in the CIA Annex. what if the attackers were inside the same buildings as the people you are trying to protect?

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

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    Our missile guidance technology is a bit more advanced than you seem to think...
    a explosion can't tell the difference between friend or foe.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    No carrier group is stationed anywhere without adequate support. If the carrier was in port, the fighters were on land and could be ready to go within an hour or two If the carrier group were at sea, some are ready to go as soon almost immediately...
    That's not really true. It depends on what port the Carrier is in. In the US and friendly ports most (not all)aircraft are on land in ME ports all aircraft stay onboard. At sea in a hostile area or if they expect any hostile action there's generally 2 fighters on deck. One on the catapult armed,engines running with a pilot in the seat and can be launched in about 30 seconds and another one that is ready to be launched in about 2 minutes or less.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Heaven forbid. What a lousy excuse for letting a U.S. facility be attacked and destroyed while doing nothing about it. Perhaps we shouldn't have a military. I'm not sure we know how to manage one.
    Secretary Gates advocated no such position. He stated that resources were not available and the on-the-ground situation was uncertain. That's very different from advocating a position that the U.S. should not act if it had military assets and sufficient information to do so.

    Added: The following link reveals what was "known" about the attack: http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/1...orces-at-risk/
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    no but there were americans in the consulate, and americans and allied libyans in the CIA Annex. what if the attackers were inside the same buildings as the people you are trying to protect?
    Really, that's just nonsense for the sake of being argumentative - if bombs started dropping from the sky on the terrorists congregating outside these compounds, how long do you think they'd stick around? Such an action would have evened the odds and given those hold up inside a better chance to save themselves.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    a explosion can't tell the difference between friend or foe.
    Using you "logic" (if one can call it that), close air support should never be provided to our troops on the ground. That's an insane position to take or defend...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Any amount when we are under attack...

    So it would be ok with you if the Americans were part of that collateral damage
    I confess, I did it, I let the dogs out.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Using you "logic" (if one can call it that), close air support should never be provided to our troops on the ground. That's an insane position to take or defend...
    30 lives were saved without the aid of military jets, the lives of the people evacuated.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Using you "logic" (if one can call it that), close air support should never be provided to our troops on the ground. That's an insane position to take or defend...
    not when the enemy is 50 feet from your own men.

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