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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A whole 150 attackers?

    That's a company(+) size element. Are you aware that a SEAL team can field as much firepower as a company of light infantry? Not to mention, a SEAL team would have brought a level of training, discipline, experience, orginization and motivation to the fight that the attackers couldn't even come close to mathing up to.

    All the while, the slicks that inserted the SEAL team, would have probably been escorted by gunships, that would be raining fire and steel down on everything outside the peremiter.
    the only seals were was to provide security for the embassy, and they did not have gunships.

    the attackers at the embassiy were well armed: ak-47s, RPGs, desial canisters, anti-aircraft guns and artillary mounted on trucks, mortars.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

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    What good do you think a fighter jet would have done? The best they could do is make a low pass with their 20mm guns and maybe fire off a couple of missiles.
    You would probably be surprised what fighters can do...
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Who gives a **** when US citizens are under attack. There is collateral damage in any defensive action...
    Go back and read some of the Drone threads and see how many people complained about the collateral damage they caused. A fighter with their 20mm cannons and rockets would have caused a lot more collateral damage then the drones did, then you would be here complaining about that.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Bull****! The Sixth Fleet is based in the Med. There were fighters available, but they were not scrambled...
    because no oil tanker aircraft were available. what good would fighter aircraft have done if they had crashed into the sea for lack of fuel after going full after burner.

    oh and it takes time to arm, fuel, taxi, launch and organize fighters into a organized strike.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    Go back and read some of the Drone threads and see how many people complained about the collateral damage they caused. A fighter with their 20mm cannons and rockets would have caused a lot more collateral damage then the drones did, then you would be here complaining about that.
    We're not discussing other threads. We're here discussing this situation in which US citizens were under attack. Try to stay on topic...
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Robert Gates appeared on CBS's Face The Nation on Sunday and pushed back on the critics of Obama's military. See the video on his appearance at the link .

    Gates, a Republican who was appointed by then-President George W. Bush in 2006 and agreed to stay through more than two years of President Obama's first term, repeatedly declined to criticize the policymakers who devised a response to the September 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic facility in Benghazi, Libya, that left four Americans dead, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens.

    "Frankly, had I been in the job at the time, I think my decisions would have been just as theirs were," said Gates, now the chancellor of the College of William and Mary.

    "We don't have a ready force standing by in the Middle East, and so getting somebody there in a timely way would have been very difficult, if not impossible." he explained.

    Suggestions that we could have flown a fighter jet over the attackers to "scare them with the noise or something," Gates said, ignored the "number of surface to air missiles that have disappeared from [former Libyan leader] Qaddafi's arsenals."

    "I would not have approved sending an aircraft, a single aircraft, over Benghazi under those circumstances," he said.

    Another suggestion posed by some critics of the administration, to, as Gates said, "send some small number of special forces or other troops in without knowing what the environment is, without knowing what the threat is, without having any intelligence in terms of what is actually going on on the ground, would have been very dangerous."

    "It's sort of a cartoonish impression of military capabilities and military forces," he said. "The one thing that our forces are noted for is planning and preparation before we send people in harm's way, and there just wasn't time to do that."



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    Hey, what does he know? Just because he was Secretary of Defense under two Presidents, this somehow makes him smart about defense? He can't possibly know as much as the Chicken-Hawks beating the Benghazi drum.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    What hasn't been mentioned so far is what contingency planning took place at the State Department in Washington and on the ground in Tripoli to protect American personnel in Libya during this time? Since people keep saying there wasn't time to plan and there was no one close to help, how is that not a direct dereliction of duty? Don't people in the State Department plan for attacks on embassy officials on a regular basis?
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    You would probably be surprised what fighters can do...
    Well, you're far smarter than the former Secretary of Defense, so we bow to you superior wisdom on military matters.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    because no oil tanker aircraft were available. what good would fighter aircraft have done if they had crashed into the sea for lack of fuel after going full after burner.

    oh and it takes time to arm, fuel, taxi, launch and organize fighters into a organized strike.
    No carrier group is stationed anywhere without adequate support. If the carrier was in port, the fighters were on land and could be ready to go within an hour or two If the carrier group were at sea, some are ready to go as soon almost immediately...
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    You would probably be surprised what fighters can do...

    Then, please tell me what a jet fighter can do in a situation like this. They can't pick out individual target with their 20mm, all they can do is rake the ground in front of them. The missiles can't be programed to only kill certain people. So please educate me on how a jet fighter would have been useful there?
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