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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    So in Afghanistan, where we have significant forces in place, hence the quick backup.

    Not the same thing.

    And it was a "success".
    Yes, it was a success with significant loss of life. We'll never know if Benghazi could have been a success we just know there was loss of life without hope or an attempt of rescue.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    2 specialists were able to save dozens of Americans in harm's way

    The Obama Administration couldn't provide them backup within 8 hours

    Nothing more needs to be said
    backup to do what? repel 150 attackers armed with ak-47s, gun trucks, and mortars?
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    I wasn't there and the investigation is still ongoing so I have no idea who did or did not do what. I answered your question so man up and answer mine:

    [b]So why wouldn't you want our troops to have the same 12 hours to plan and train?[/b
    I didn't say I wouldn't want them to have 12 hours to plan and train. The fact is, our guys DIDN'T have 12 hours to plan and train and that's no excuse to to at least TRY.

    If you didn't think it was germane to the thread then why did you bring it up? What are your sources on Banteen and Reno?
    I didn't bring it up, someone else did. I was only pointing out the error in using Little Bighorn as an example.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not true. I remember a short time after the Seals went in an got bin Laden the Seals were sent into northern Afghanistan on a rush rescue to try to assist/save some American troops which were trapped and under attack. During that foray, a helicopter crashed and several Seals and other service members were killed but the troops were saved in the process. I don't recall any specific negative reaction to that decision to send in a rescue force that didn't have time for planning and their actions saved lives even though some of the rescuers were lost. Rather than people "squawking" about it, those Seals were honored and the incident basically forgotten and never mentioned again while Obama continued to talk up the more successful bin Laden raid.

    There is far more honor in trying to save comrades and failing than in never even trying.
    Apples to oranges. In Afghanistan the troops, helos and such were already there and have been there over 10 years.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    backup to do what? repel 150 attackers armed with ak-47s, gun trucks, and mortars?
    To defend and rescue Americans in harm's way

    Your posts are comical and embarrassing. Just stop.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The 12 edits revealed a turf war between the CIA and State. The video was the attempt to misdirect the terrorists.

    Soooooo... you do realize that the new info we have received verifies that the CIA knew who carried out the attack because the attackers made a public announcement on Facebook and Twitter, right? What possible benefit is it to hide this information from the public when the bad guys already made the information public?

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    backup to do what? repel 150 attackers armed with ak-47s, gun trucks, and mortars?
    A few well placed Hellfire missiles would probably would have dispersed the attackers fairly rapidly. It is somewhat clear that those fighting at the annex expected some sort of response, otherwise one of them would not have divulged his own location by "lighting up" the attackers...
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    backup to do what? repel 150 attackers armed with ak-47s, gun trucks, and mortars?
    A whole 150 attackers?

    That's a company(+) size element. Are you aware that a SEAL team can field as much firepower as a company of light infantry? Not to mention, a SEAL team would have brought a level of training, discipline, experience, orginization and motivation to the fight that the attackers couldn't even come close to mathing up to.

    All the while, the slicks that inserted the SEAL team, would have probably been escorted by gunships, that would be raining fire and steel down on everything outside the peremiter.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    Apples to oranges. In Afghanistan the troops, helos and such were already there and have been there over 10 years.
    Maybe so, but there were individuals on the ground in Libya who were in the air on the way to Benghazi and they were told to turn around. It's moot, since we'll never know, but I'll bet there are many people in the service of your country who are damn angry you didn't even try. That's not what Americans do.
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    Re: Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Maybe so, but there were individuals on the ground in Libya who were in the air on the way to Benghazi and they were told to turn around. It's moot, since we'll never know, but I'll bet there are many people in the service of your country who are damn angry you didn't even try. That's not what Americans do.
    A commercial flight from London to Tripoli lasts about 3 1/2 hours. We had assets closer, and I'm sure our fighters in Italy fly a bit faster than commercial airliners. Good afternoon jcj...
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