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    Benghazi e-mails show clash between State Department, CIA

    The ABC story had it wrong, those twelve versions were an editing process


    New details from administration e-mails about last year’s attacks on the U.S. compound in Benghazi, Libya, demonstrate that an intense bureaucratic clash took place between the State Department and the CIA over which agency would get to tell the story of how the tragedy unfolded.

    That clash played out in the development of administration talking points that have been at the center of the controversy over the handling of the incident, according to the e-mails that came to light Friday.

    Over the five days between the attacks and the now-infamous Sunday show appearance by U.N. Ambassador Susan E. Rice, senior officials from the Central Intelligence Agency and the State Department argued over how much information to disclose about the assault in which four Americans, including Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, were killed.

    That internal debate and the changes it produced in the Obama administration’s immediate account of the attack have revived Benghazi as a political issue in Washington six months after the presidential election in which it played a prominent role. Friday’s revelations — ABC News published 12 versions of the talking points — produced the latest round of Benghazi post-mortems in the eight months since the attacks. Senior administration officials said in a briefing for reporters that none of Obama’s political advisers were involved in discussions around the original talking points, only national security staff officials.

    According to various drafts of the talking points, shaped before the final editing by the White House and other agencies, State Department officials raised concerns that the CIA-drafted version could be used by members of Congress to criticize diplomatic security preparedness in Benghazi.

    One U.S. intelligence official familiar with the talking points’ drafting said: “The changes don’t reflect a turf battle. They were attempts to find the appropriate level of detail for unclassified, preliminary talking points that could be used by members of Congress to address a fluid situation.”
    Benghazi e-mails show clash between State Department, CIA - The Washington Post

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    Re: Benghazi e-mails show clash between State Department, CIA

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post

    According to various drafts of the talking points, shaped before the final editing by the White House and other agencies, State Department officials raised concerns that the CIA-drafted version could be used by members of Congress to criticize diplomatic security preparedness in Benghazi.

    One U.S. intelligence official familiar with the talking points’ drafting said: “The changes don’t reflect a turf battle. They were attempts to find the appropriate level of detail for unclassified, preliminary talking points that could be used by members of Congress to address a fluid situation.”
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    The State Department has a long history of being very lax with security, be that OPSEC, Communication or physical security. That history basically comes from the job they do, diplomacy. So this whole thing boils down to State being worried over some criticism from congress. So to prevent some criticism, we’ll attempt to make the American People believe the video did it instead of terrorist. Do you realize how lame that sounds?

    The problem here, talking points aside, is the American People were lied to when State, the CIA and the White House knew different. This isn’t covert ops that went bad or didn’t work. This was an attack on one of our consulates by terrorists. Even if State didn’t provide the proper security needed, usually a judgment call by some at State, why not just admit it, let the American people know steps are being taken to correct it and move on.

    Sure there would have been heat for a couple of weeks, maybe a month, but it would have been put to bed never to arise again with a force of fury.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Benghazi e-mails show clash between State Department, CIA

    And so it begins
    Obama is clearly attempting to through Hillary under the bus. this is going to cause a split in the democrat party . I'm sure slick Willy is regretting every minute he helped Obama get reelected. this is the second time Obama has taken a crap on the Clintons, and i doubt they will forgive and forget this time, So the line has been drawn and i will sit back and joyfully watch the democrats take sides and fight it out. 2014 should be an interesting election year

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    Re: Benghazi e-mails show clash between State Department, CIA

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    And so it begins
    Obama is clearly attempting to through Hillary under the bus. this is going to cause a split in the democrat party . I'm sure slick Willy is regretting every minute he helped Obama get reelected. this is the second time Obama has taken a crap on the Clintons, and i doubt they will forgive and forget this time, So the line has been drawn and i will sit back and joyfully watch the democrats take sides and fight it out. 2014 should be an interesting election year
    Could it be your in the wrong thread?

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    Re: Benghazi e-mails show clash between State Department, CIA

    I don't see anyone being thrown under the bus by Obama. By republicans trying to place the blame for a terrorist attack... one of three that were happening simultaneously that night... by trying to turn confusion and bureaucratic stumbling in the early days of a crisis into a smear job that they hope will prevent Hillary's nomination in 2016.

    **** happens. I guaran-damn-tee that both democrats and republicans in the CIA, the DOS and other agencies involved in trying to figure out what happened in a place that American investigators were not allowed access to were involved in those 12 drafts that were prepared in the first few days after the attacks.

    This kind of rampant speculation, ignoring inconvient facts while manipulating more "favorable" facts... this is the kind of crap I heard by the "Hillary is just pretending to have a blood clot on the brain so she can avoid testifying" crowd.

    What congress should be doing is seriously working together to see where the mistakes were made in embassy security, and plug the holes. Was bad intelligence to blame? Was the intelligence about the danger good, but it never got to the right people? But no... this has become a massive partsian "gotcha" while congress-critters beat their chest and point their fingers. And you know what, folks? The mistakes that led to the lack of proper security still exist, because congress has been completely focused only on their own political games.

    Bah. We should disband the entire government and build a new one, where politicians are NOT allowed to apply.

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    Re: Benghazi e-mails show clash between State Department, CIA

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    senior officials from the Central Intelligence Agency and the State Department argued over how much information to disclose about the assault
    I think pushing the youtube video in attempt to better chase is going a bit far.

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    Re: Benghazi e-mails show clash between State Department, CIA

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The ABC story had it wrong, those twelve versions were an editing process


    An editing process by the Obama administration to keep the truth from Congress and lie to the American people for Obama's own political gain.

    Are my sources better than the White House ? I knew by 9-12-12 that there was demonstration over a You Tube video in Benghazi and knew that Al Qaeda was involved days before Obama's little darling (Susan Rice) hit all five of the Sunday's talking heads shows on television lying to America and blaming a video.

    (Why do you think Obama changed his mind of having Susan Rice nominated as Hillary Clinton's replacement as Secretary of State ? He didn't want Rice being questioned about Benghazi under oath during the Congressional confirmation hearings. )

    But that's the Obama White House cover up. I'm more concerned why no help was sent to Benghazi ? Who ordered Special Operation Forces to just not to stand down once but were ordered to stand down twice.

    From all the interviews of Generals and Flag Officers I have watched, only President Obama as Cn'C can order the military to take action and only the C'nC can order the troops to stand down.

    Now if Obama as Cn'C gave his authority to someone lower in the chain of the command (and we have heard that Obama has been known to do that in the past when he can't make a decision) this is known as dereliction of duty as Cn'C.

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    Re: Benghazi e-mails show clash between State Department, CIA

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I don't see anyone being thrown under the bus by Obama. By republicans trying to place the blame for a terrorist attack... one of three that were happening simultaneously that night... by trying to turn confusion and bureaucratic stumbling in the early days of a crisis into a smear job that they hope will prevent Hillary's nomination in 2016.

    **** happens. I guaran-damn-tee that both democrats and republicans in the CIA, the DOS and other agencies involved in trying to figure out what happened in a place that American investigators were not allowed access to were involved in those 12 drafts that were prepared in the first few days after the attacks.

    This kind of rampant speculation, ignoring inconvient facts while manipulating more "favorable" facts... this is the kind of crap I heard by the "Hillary is just pretending to have a blood clot on the brain so she can avoid testifying" crowd.

    What congress should be doing is seriously working together to see where the mistakes were made in embassy security, and plug the holes. Was bad intelligence to blame? Was the intelligence about the danger good, but it never got to the right people? But no... this has become a massive partsian "gotcha" while congress-critters beat their chest and point their fingers. And you know what, folks? The mistakes that led to the lack of proper security still exist, because congress has been completely focused only on their own political games.

    Bah. We should disband the entire government and build a new one, where politicians are NOT allowed to apply.
    As long as Obama can keep the attention on the State Dept and the CIA there will be less eyes on him. He is attempting to create the narrative it was the State Dept and the CIA who clashed over the talking points and it was them to make all the changes and blame the video and he was an innocent bystander so blame will not be laid as his feet

    So the question is whose side will you take when the bell rings team Obama or team Hillary. So what is more important to you Obamas reputation and legacy or Hillary running for President?
    Last edited by trfjr; 05-11-13 at 11:34 PM.

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    Re: Benghazi e-mails show clash between State Department, CIA

    It doesn't look, by the OP, that the "clash" helped any one but the commander in chief who needed to remain all presidential for another 57 or so days.

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    Re: Benghazi e-mails show clash between State Department, CIA

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    As long as Obama can keep the attention on the State Dept and the CIA there will be less eyes on him. He is attempting to create the narrative it was the State Dept and the CIA who clashed over the talking points and it was them to make all the changes and blame the video and he was an innocent bystander so blame will not be laid as his feet

    So the question is whose side will you take when the bell rings team Obama or team Hillary. So what is more important to you Obamas reputation and legacy or Hillary running for President?
    Again, it's all partisian to you. I'd like to know where the problems were so they can, you know, actually be fixed. Fixing the problems is NOT a priority with this congress. Laying blame is the priority... with you as well, apparently.

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