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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I believe the slush fund will be investigated right along with the Koch Brothers slush funds.

    I know the right wing is all a-twitter over this but given the huge increase in 'chapters' and the very fast and loose way many were run I can see the logic of checking for compliance.

    tell ya what, when the liberals sprout a hundred or so astro-turf groups the IRS should investigate their compliance as well....
    Koch Brothers don't have a slush fund. They donate to their orgs and it's those orgs who are audited. You as an individual can give any amount of money you want to a org. While an org is limited in how much it can give and how it can give based on it's status. See the difference?

    Btw, Koch Brothers are no different then George Soros.

    It's not just the "right wing" in an up roar over this.. senior Democrats and "liberal" Republicans in Congress have issues with it, you know Diane Feinstein, and Susan Collins.

    Liberals sprouted hundreds of astro-turf groups as well. Happened in the late '90s and during the Healthcare debate.

    My point in this is pretty simple... if you are gonna look into 501 (c)(4)s then set the rules on what is primary political means. It's assumed by all 501 (c)(4)s that anything over 49% is primary political. IRS doesn't say what is or isn't. So IRS can't specifically look at ANY group based on what is spent since it hasn't defined it. On top of that every big group out there has a 501 (c)(4). Be it Moveon.org or Heritage Foundation. But the IRS specifically targeted groups with the titles of "Tea Party", "Patriots" and "9/12"..

    The IRS sent letters demanding information outside of the scope of determining if it was a 501 (c)(4).

    http://c0391070.cdn2.cloudfiles.rack...ty-clients.pdf

    So don't give me this it's just Republican and Libertarians bitching.. you should be bitching too. I will always be against this kind of abuse by Government, be it a Republican or a Democrat doing it. It's why I don't trust Government.. Yet you are so blinded by your politics you don't even realize if you don't nip it in the bud today.. tomorrow it will be 1000 times worse.
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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Koch Brothers don't have a slush fund. They donate to their orgs and it's those orgs who are audited. You as an individual can give any amount of money you want to a org. While an org is limited in how much it can give and how it can give based on it's status. See the difference?

    Btw, Koch Brothers are no different then George Soros.

    It's not just the "right wing" in an up roar over this.. senior Democrats and "liberal" Republicans in Congress have issues with it, you know Diane Feinstein, and Susan Collins.

    Liberals sprouted hundreds of astro-turf groups as well. Happened in the late '90s and during the Healthcare debate.

    My point in this is pretty simple... if you are gonna look into 501 (c)(4)s then set the rules on what is primary political means. It's assumed by all 501 (c)(4)s that anything over 49% is primary political. IRS doesn't say what is or isn't. So IRS can't specifically look at ANY group based on what is spent since it hasn't defined it. On top of that every big group out there has a 501 (c)(4). Be it Moveon.org or Heritage Foundation. But the IRS specifically targeted groups with the titles of "Tea Party", "Patriots" and "9/12"..

    The IRS sent letters demanding information outside of the scope of determining if it was a 501 (c)(4).

    http://c0391070.cdn2.cloudfiles.rack...ty-clients.pdf

    So don't give me this it's just Republican and Libertarians bitching.. you should be bitching too. I will always be against this kind of abuse by Government, be it a Republican or a Democrat doing it. It's why I don't trust Government.. Yet you are so blinded by your politics you don't even realize if you don't nip it in the bud today.. tomorrow it will be 1000 times worse.
    Everyone with that kind of money has a slush fund.
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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    [QUOTE=austrianecon;1061800372]Koch Brothers don't have a slush fund. They donate to their orgs and it's those orgs who are audited. You as an individual can give any amount of money you want to a org. While an org is limited in how much it can give and how it can give based on it's status. See the difference? Btw, Koch Brothers are no different then George Soros. It's not just the "right wing" in an up roar over this.. senior Democrats and "liberal" Republicans in Congress have issues with it, you know Diane Feinstein, and Susan Collins. Liberals sprouted hundreds of astro-turf groups as well. Happened in the late '90s and during the Healthcare debate. My point in this is pretty simple... if you are gonna look into 501 (c)(4)s then set the rules on what is primary political means. It's assumed by all 501 (c)(4)s that anything over 49% is primary political. IRS doesn't say what is or isn't. So IRS can't specifically look at ANY group based on what is spent since it hasn't defined it. On top of that every big group out there has a 501 (c)(4). Be it Moveon.org or Heritage Foundation. But the IRS specifically targeted groups with the titles of "Tea Party", "Patriots" and "9/12".. The IRS sent letters demanding information outside of the scope of determining if it was a 501 (c)(http://c0391070.cdn2.cloudfiles.rack...ty-clients.pdf So don't give me this it's just Republican and Libertarians bitching.. you should be bitching too. I will always be against this kind of abuse by Government, be it a Republican or a Democrat doing it. It's why I don't trust Government.. Yet you are so blinded by your politics you don't even realize if you don't nip it in the bud today.. tomorrow it will be 1000 times worse.[/QUOTE/]

    Actually we have little knowledge of what Koch brothers have as slush funds anymore than we do of Union slush funds. But the right loves to say there are. I saw The sunday talk shows I didn't see an uproar but then again I am not a right wing leaner. Funny we go from Union slush funds to comparing Koch to Soros, not a convincing argument... 'they do it too!'

    Many groups can be very ahhh discrete on who gave how much, super pacs are fun things they can accept money as a 501(c)[4] from non profits and not have to disclose who donated what. the non Profit as like a money launderer.

    The astroturf label sticks because it is true, take FreedomWorks. Half it's 2012 haul came from one man, Richard Stephenson. 94% came from big gift donors and by using the non profit many names can be hidden.

    The problem as many see it is by using the non profit tax sheild astro turf organizations can effectively hide who gives how much and is the organization a true grass roots or astro-turf outfit.

    When it comes to bud nipping the GOP fillibustered the attempt to reform 'dark money'. Astro-turf is safe for now....

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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    And we're supposed to trust this agency to implement Obamacare. Oy.


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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Blood-sucking vampires. And now shown to be available for hire, and you know what that makes them.

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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    And we're supposed to trust this agency to implement Obamacare. Oy.
    What? The IRS is not "implementing Obamacare."

    They will collect the tax penalty from those who do not possess adequate insurance. What other involvement do you think they have?
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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What? The IRS is not "implementing Obamacare."

    They will collect the tax penalty from those who do not possess adequate insurance. What other involvement do you think they have?
    They enforce it, by ensuring that you have a qualifying health plan. So yes, you are supposed to trust them that your plan is "qualifying".

    Maybe they will start "random" audits of people that complain in public about the ACA......

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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So it is bad when the IRS is used as a political tool, but when the military and Justice departments are used as political tools, then it is not a problem?
    Nope, you're right here....Obama is using all three as political tools, or weapons against freedom if you wish....Thanks for pointing that out.
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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    If you close the IRS then who will collect the taxes?
    I'll volunteer. I'll do it for free. You're first up. Send me your taxes. Thanks. Or, we could let the businesses that currently perform that function continue to do so. The IRS gets involved when it comes to confiscation, abuse, and intimidation. That's their strong suit. If you read their prospectus for employment, they're just looking for a few good thugs. And, as a bonus, they can be bought.

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