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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They were vetted, when they applied for the exemption. After the exemption was approved, it's hands off.
    What? And trust that they continue to meet the rules that got them the freaking exemption? Great scam you got going there then... get an exemption and never ever get controlled again... and just abuse the system forever..


    I don't think those tax free stati should exist, to begin with; but since they do, everyone is to be treated equally.
    I agree it should not exist. As for being treated equally... that is always the principle, but you know as well as I do, that both sides hardly follow that principle.
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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No.

    First of all they were relatively new and they have to be "vetted" in my opinion. Any new organisation that wants tax exemption should not only be vetted but put under the microscope at the start to make sure that it is actually meeting the requirements. I would wager that the IRS under Bush and Reagan did exactly the same thing with all the "liberal" groups. We do know that Bush liked to politicize government agencies and groups for his own political gain... the AG scandal for example.. or the hiring scandals, or Boeing scandal and so on.

    Secondly, considering that some of the people involved in the Tea Party groups across the lands, also have criminal records for fraud.. then I would expect the IRS to check that these groups are just not another fraud.

    And for the record I would expect that the IRS did this for any organisation regardless of the political or religious leaning. Getting tax exemption should be a privilege they earn, and not one that is automatically granted just because they call them-self a religious or political group.
    According to your logic then all black entertainers need to be singled out by the IRS and given extra scrutiny because Wesley Snipes and Lauryn Hill where both convicted of felony tax evasion

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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You can prove The Bush Admin did worse?
    You mean like spying on the Quakers? Warrentless wiretaps? The no fly list where Democratic politicians suddenly appeared on? The AG scandal where non political AGs were fired after they refused to go after local Democrats on the orders of local Republicans? You mean those abuses?
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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    According to your logic then all black entertainers need to be singled out by the IRS and given extra scrutiny because Wesley Snipes and Lauryn Hill where both convicted of felony tax evasion
    Err no that is your logic. ... and failed one at that.
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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    What? And trust that they continue to meet the rules that got them the freaking exemption? Great scam you got going there then... get an exemption and never ever get controlled again... and just abuse the system forever..




    I agree it should not exist. As for being treated equally... that is always the principle, but you know as well as I do, that both sides hardly follow that principle.
    Well, ya see, here in America--the land of the free--there's a such-a-thing as civil rights. It basically means that Americans are protected from persecution by the government for their political, or religious views.
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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I dont see the problem.. any organisation that gets tax exemption should be the constant target of the IRS to see if they abuse the tax exemption rules.
    Translation: You have no problem with the IRS acting like the Gestapo and being used as a political billy club

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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    then why did they LIE about it?

    Senior Internal Revenue Service officials knew employees were singling out conservative groups for extra scrutiny as early as 2011, according to a watchdog agency’s report set to be released next week, POLITICO has confirmed from a congressional source.

    The disclosure that senior officials knew agents were flagging applications containing the words “patriot” or “tea party” contradicts public statements by former IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman. He repeatedly denied that his agency was targeting conservative groups when asked by Congress last year.

    “There’s absolutely no targeting. This is the kind of back and forth that happens to people” who apply for tax-exempt status, Shulman told a House Ways and Means subcommittee in March 2012.

    The congressional source, who was briefed on the report, said the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration found that senior Washington officials were informed in 2011.

    The findings from the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration report was first reported by Associated Press. The report is set to be released in full next week.

    The report will also confirm that the IRS asked unnecessary questions of conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status from the agency, the source said, and that there were delays in processing applications for conservative applicants and other c(4) groups.

    House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp (R-Mich.) will convene a hearing on the matter in the coming weeks. Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) will do the same. House Majority Leader Eric Cantor also said the House would investigate the matter.

    Sen. Orrin Hatch, the ranking member of the Finance Committee, promised to fully investigate who was behind the IRS decision to probe conservative tax-exempt groups and compared the practice to Watergate and “the Nixon years.”
    IRS officials knew of tea party targeting - Lauren French - POLITICO.com

    you're gonna see hearings on this one IN THE SENATE

    this targeting of the political opposition has been going on for years, from texas to virginia

    Numerous Tea Party chapters claim IRS attempts to sabotage nonprofit status | Fox News

    IRS Battling Tea Party Groups Over Tax-Exempt Status/HuffingtonPost

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...us_629931.html

    how could fox news and huffpo know and not the commissioner?

    if he didn't know, then how could he testify his definitive denial?

    coverups, rewriting talking points, threatening witnesses, using the irs...

    false testimony in congress

    how do you spell nixonian

    this very ugly, very revealing story is gonna be in the news for many months---dave camp and charles boustany and evil darrell issa will make sure

    you will see dems like max trainwreck baucus and ultra lib carl levin come over, it's that bad

    worry
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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Translation: You have no problem with the IRS acting like the Gestapo and being used as a political billy club
    They seem to be okay with organizations like this in Europe, even those which are elected and answerable to no one.. All we need do is check their history.

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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    then why did they LIE about it?



    IRS officials knew of tea party targeting - Lauren French - POLITICO.com

    you're gonna see hearings on this one IN THE SENATE

    this targeting of the political opposition has been going on for years, from texas to virginia

    Numerous Tea Party chapters claim IRS attempts to sabotage nonprofit status | Fox News

    IRS Battling Tea Party Groups Over Tax-Exempt Status/HuffingtonPost

    Claim: IRS Won

    how could fox news and huffpo know and not the commissioner?

    if he didn't know, then how could he testify his definitive denial?

    coverups, rewriting talking points, threatening witnesses, using the irs...

    how do you spell nixonian

    this very ugly, very revealing story is gonna be in the news for many months---dave camp and charles boustany and evil darrell issa will make sure

    you will see dems like max trainwreck baucus and ultra lib carl levin come over, it's that bad

    worry
    Why do stuff like this happen in a president's second term? Nixon could have waltzed to victory in 1972 without Watergate. Reagan had Irangate, but at least it had nothing to do with re-election and neither did Lewinski for Clinton. Obama was going to win when the GOP nominated Romney. How in the world did GW Bush get through his second term with nothing like this?
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Problem is the IRS was being used as a Political tool to try and silence people. If IRS looked into the equal amount of liberal groups like say AFL-CIO which is a 501(c)(5).
    Actually the Unions were targeted by the IRS, FBI, and Treasury during the great Mafia sweeps. I remember many union key members doing the perp walk into court over taxes, lifestyles above their declared income and the like.

    Who got Al Capone, the FBI or the IRS?

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