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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

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    So I'm going to assume that you don't approve of ANY profiling?
    Yes, the coercive powers of government should never be used for partisan purposes.

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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

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    AP News: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011



    So it wasn't just low level employees at the IRS. Humm....

    Why do they choose to fess up now? Because the results of an investigation by the Inspector General are due out later this week. So it is an attempt to limit damage.
    Using the IRS to target ones political enemies goes all the way back to LBJ. LBJ also used the FBI to dig up dirt on those who opposed him. But LBJ had a compliant congress controlled by his own party and they were not about to challenge him.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So it is bad when the IRS is used as a political tool, but when the military and Justice departments are used as political tools, then it is not a problem?
    Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm with the Cons on this one.


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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you don't see a problem with the IRS singling out these groups?...really?
    No.

    First of all they were relatively new and they have to be "vetted" in my opinion. Any new organisation that wants tax exemption should not only be vetted but put under the microscope at the start to make sure that it is actually meeting the requirements. I would wager that the IRS under Bush and Reagan did exactly the same thing with all the "liberal" groups. We do know that Bush liked to politicize government agencies and groups for his own political gain... the AG scandal for example.. or the hiring scandals, or Boeing scandal and so on.

    Secondly, considering that some of the people involved in the Tea Party groups across the lands, also have criminal records for fraud.. then I would expect the IRS to check that these groups are just not another fraud.

    And for the record I would expect that the IRS did this for any organisation regardless of the political or religious leaning. Getting tax exemption should be a privilege they earn, and not one that is automatically granted just because they call them-self a religious or political group.
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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    The IRS has long been the most intrusive, counter-constitutional faction of the US government. They obfuscate due process, seize property and resources without court approval and have done so for many decades. We do not need the IRS and never have. Implement a flat tax of 10% (no deductions, no exceptions) and close the IRS for good. If you can't calculate your taxes by moving a decimal point, then you are in very sad shape. Oh, elected officials in any office at any level must pay 2% over the flat rate. That will keep the rate low, for certain.

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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Yes, the coercive powers of government should never be used for partisan purposes.
    And you of course have the same opinion of the Bush administration that did far far worse right?
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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No.

    First of all they were relatively new and they have to be "vetted" in my opinion. Any new organisation that wants tax exemption should not only be vetted but put under the microscope at the start to make sure that it is actually meeting the requirements. I would wager that the IRS under Bush and Reagan did exactly the same thing with all the "liberal" groups. We do know that Bush liked to politicize government agencies and groups for his own political gain... the AG scandal for example.. or the hiring scandals, or Boeing scandal and so on.

    Secondly, considering that some of the people involved in the Tea Party groups across the lands, also have criminal records for fraud.. then I would expect the IRS to check that these groups are just not another fraud.


    They were vetted, when they applied for the exemption. After the exemption was approved, it's hands off.

    And for the record I would expect that the IRS did this for any organisation regardless of the political or religious leaning. Getting tax exemption should be a privilege they earn, and not one that is automatically granted just because they call them-self a religious or political group.
    I don't think those tax free stati should exist, to begin with; but since they do, everyone is to be treated equally.
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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And you of course have the same opinion of the Bush administration that did far far worse right?
    You can prove The Bush Admin did worse?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm with the Cons on this one.
    With the, "Cons"? One would think you would be with, "America", on this one.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman909 View Post
    The IRS has long been the most intrusive, counter-constitutional faction of the US government. They obfuscate due process, seize property and resources without court approval and have done so for many decades. We do not need the IRS and never have. Implement a flat tax of 10% (no deductions, no exceptions) and close the IRS for good. If you can't calculate your taxes by moving a decimal point, then you are in very sad shape. Oh, elected officials in any office at any level must pay 2% over the flat rate. That will keep the rate low, for certain.
    If you close the IRS then who will collect the taxes?

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