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Republicans raising money off Benghazi effort

pbrauer said:
Sometimes its important to hide the truth, especially when an investigation is in progress.
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There is nothing in the investigation we're discussing that will have any impact on investigating the crime itself.:cool:
 
Jack Hays said:
There is nothing in the investigation we're discussing that will have any impact on investigating the crime itself.:cool:
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Alerting a criminal that he is under surveillance has no effect on the criminal.
 
CaptinSarcastic said:
Sanity in some of these discussions is like a an oasis in the desert.

How can everyone on either of the two sides find hypocrisy so easily and never realize they are hypocrites?

I try to avoid it personally, but I would expect everyone would say that, and yet, here we are, "they did worse".

I don't think people are capable of even being honest with themselves anymore.
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Oh, I agree reading a lot of these posts. The posters never realizes. But I too am guilty of being a hypocrite at times, I think all of us are and when we are, we really do not realize it. It is always easier to see where the hypocrisy come forth looking from the outside than the inside. Being a backer of Perot and I still claim the Reform Party membership, he taught me to take a few steps back, get rid of those dark tinted red or blue colored glasses, put in ear plugs so you do not listen to their rhetoric, talking points and slogans, then just watch how they govern. There really isn't that much of a difference, they trim around the edges and that is about all, but to listen to the two major parties you would think they are polar opposites.
 
Jack Hays said:
There is nothing in the investigation we're discussing that will have any impact on investigating the crime itself.:cool:
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What crime you are speaking about?
 
pbrauer said:
Both President Obama and SOS Hillary Clinton were at Dover and spoke when the four came home. So you are wrong when you say they didn't care.

Obama, Clinton Honor Fallen Americans | RealClearPolitics

Obama, Hillary Clinton Honor Ambassador Chris Stevens, Libya Attack Victims
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And they looked straight into the mothers of those dead brave souls and bold faced lied to them. how pathetic can you get? What kind of human will lie to a mother who has just lost their child? how does Clinton and Obama sleep at night?
 
upsideguy said:
A bit foot loose and fancy free with the facts.... The Dems cried foul in Texas when they attempted to redistrict mid-decade. That is not done. Yes, everyone gerrymanders (the appropriateness of this is another discussion, but this has been a part of the political fabric for centuries) after the census, but the Texas legislature trying to do so mid-decade was a foul.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/01/opinion/01wed2.html?_r=0
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I wasn't talking 2006, I was talking 2010 and I sure heard a lot howls from both sides and yet both sides went about their merry business of gerrymandering where ever and when ever they could.
 
trfjr said:
And they looked straight into the mothers of those dead brave souls and bold faced lied to them. how pathetic can you get? What kind of human will lie to a mother who has just lost their child? how does Clinton and Obama sleep at night?
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I often wonder the same thing about President Bush. What did President Obama say to the mothers of those brave souls that was a lie?
 
pbrauer said:
I often wonder the same thing about President Bush. What did President Obama say to the mothers of those brave souls that was a lie?
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you know you liberals really need to add more cards to your deck. if it isn't the race card being played it is the Bush card. don't you think they have been over played by know? you are so predictable
 
trfjr said:
you know you liberals really need to add more cards to your deck. if it isn't the race card being played it is the Bush card. don't you think they have been over played by know? you are so predictable
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What was the lie that Obama to the families who lost their loved ones in Benghazi.
 
trfjr said:
you know you liberals really need to add more cards to your deck. if it isn't the race card being played it is the Bush card. don't you think they have been over played by know? you are so predictable
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Why don't you answer my question, what did President Obama lie about to those mothers?
 
pbrauer said:
Why don't you answer my question, what did President Obama lie about to those mothers?
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They told those mothers the attack was caused by that anti Muslim vid that Obama and Clinton knew was a lie when they told them
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Alerting a criminal that he is under surveillance has no effect on the criminal.
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I think you're missing the point. The investigation we're discussing is the investigation into how the attack was portrayed in Washington. That will not affect the investigation of who did what in Libya.:cool:
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
What was the lie that Obama to the families who lost their loved ones in Benghazi.
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That it was just a "protest" that spontaneously erupted into a battle.
That it was all caused by some Joe Schmo's video in America.
 
Jack Hays said:
I think you're missing the point. The investigation we're discussing is the investigation into how the attack was portrayed in Washington. That will not affect the investigation of who did what in Libya.:cool:
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howdy Jack, I think the investigation is to find out why someone in the administration tried to mislead the American people into believing the attack on the consulate was a result of a video instead of a well planned terrorist attack which it was. For the life of me I see no benefit in not coming right out and saying it was terrorist's who attacked the Consulate. Perhaps State could have done something prior to beef up security or stopped Stevens from going, I don't know. But a lot of that is judgement calls as is sending in the 4 man relief force.

Finally I want to know who tried or who threaten or was using coercion to keep certain people from testifying. This is not a covert operation gone bad with non-disclosure forms cover, this seems simply an attempt to hide the fact it was a terrorist attack. I just can't understand that.
 
The question I want an answer to is why on earth would you give a stand down order when American citizens are being attacked? pb, do you know the answer to that?
 
Perotista said:
howdy Jack, I think the investigation is to find out why someone in the administration tried to mislead the American people into believing the attack on the consulate was a result of a video instead of a well planned terrorist attack which it was. For the life of me I see no benefit in not coming right out and saying it was terrorist's who attacked the Consulate. Perhaps State could have done something prior to beef up security or stopped Stevens from going, I don't know. But a lot of that is judgement calls as is sending in the 4 man relief force.

Finally I want to know who tried or who threaten or was using coercion to keep certain people from testifying. This is not a covert operation gone bad with non-disclosure forms cover, this seems simply an attempt to hide the fact it was a terrorist attack. I just can't understand that.
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Because the BHO line was that the GWOT was over.:shock:
 
Jack Hays said:
I think you're missing the point. The investigation we're discussing is the investigation into how the attack was portrayed in Washington. That will not affect the investigation of who did what in Libya.:cool:
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[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/world/africa/benghazi-not-petraeus-affair-is-focus-at-hearings.html?_r=0"]Petraeus Says U.S. Tried to Avoid Tipping Off Terrorists After Libya Attack[/URL]:cool:

WASHINGTON — David H. Petraeus, the former director of the Central Intelligence Agency, told lawmakers on Friday that classified intelligence reports revealed that the deadly assault on the American diplomatic mission in Libya was a terrorist attack, but that the administration refrained from saying it suspected that the perpetrators of the attack were Al Qaeda affiliates and sympathizers to avoid tipping off the groups.​
 
pbrauer said:
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[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/world/africa/benghazi-not-petraeus-affair-is-focus-at-hearings.html?_r=0"]Petraeus Says U.S. Tried to Avoid Tipping Off Terrorists After Libya Attack[/URL]:cool:

WASHINGTON — David H. Petraeus, the former director of the Central Intelligence Agency, told lawmakers on Friday that classified intelligence reports revealed that the deadly assault on the American diplomatic mission in Libya was a terrorist attack, but that the administration refrained from saying it suspected that the perpetrators of the attack were Al Qaeda affiliates and sympathizers to avoid tipping off the groups.​
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Just another reason why he was a poor Director. That was one of those times when "national security" was invoked to pursue a political objective.:roll:
 
Jack Hays said:
Just another reason why he was a poor Director. That was one of those times when "national security" was invoked to pursue a political objective.:roll:
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So you are saying its just politics?
 
pbrauer said:
So you are saying its just politics?
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Not "just" politics. There are times when the Director supports the administration's political narrative because that's good team baseball. An episode when two of his own people were killed may not have been a good time for that.:cool:
 
Josie said:
The question I want an answer to is why on earth would you give a stand down order when American citizens are being attacked? pb, do you know the answer to that?
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Pb? Anyone?
 
Jack Hays said:
Because the BHO line was that the GWOT was over.:shock:
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There has to be a lot more than that. It just doesn't make sense, but since when did politics make any sense.
 
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